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TRANSCRIPT of Episode 66: "Wicked on Broadway"



Review That Review with Chelsey Donn & Trey Gerrald
Episode 66: "Wicked on Broadway"

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THEME SONG: [00:00:00] Everybody's got an opinion.

Every Californian and Virginian.

It's so hard to tell who to trust and who to ignore.

Someone's gotta settle the score.

Trey and Chelsey will help you choose!

Whose views win, which ones lose.

Online haters are comin' for you!

Baby, it's time to Review That Review!



[00:00:31] Chelsey Donn: Hello.

[00:00:32] Trey Gerrald: Hello Chelsey. Well, hello listeners. Welcome to Review That Review. We are the singular podcast. Well, that's not true. We are the, we are a podcast. No, we are the podcast dedicated to

[00:00:51] Chelsey Donn: and we might be the only podcast that reviews reviews like officially as the review Queens.

[00:00:57] Trey Gerrald: I think that's true.

[00:00:59] Chelsey Donn: Right. We're just like Cisco and Ebert. As you know, only instead of reviewing cinematic, masterpieces, we rate and review those hilarious scathing and sometimes suspicious online reviews.

[00:01:10] Trey Gerrald: That is Chelsey Donn

[00:01:13] Chelsey Donn: And that is Trey Gerrald.

[00:01:15] Trey Gerrald: and together, you know, we are.

[00:01:19] VOICEOVER: The review Queens.

[00:01:22] Trey Gerrald: A very special Cheerio Queens to all of our Patreon members, you know, our Cheerio Queens over on

[00:01:31] Chelsey Donn: Cheerio Queens.

[00:01:32] Trey Gerrald: They're helping us keep our lights on and in exchange, they have exclusive access to our companion after show podcast, featuring additional reviews, salacious, tidbits, and deep dives. They also get full video recordings, merch discounts, and a whole lot more.

[00:01:49] Trey Gerrald: If you wanna join them, go visit our Patreon page over at Patreon dot com slash Review. That Review Chelsey

[00:01:57] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:01:59] Trey Gerrald: is a very. Exciting day, cuz we're gonna announce the winner of our Lillian pops artwork contest, but we're gonna do it at the end of today's show. So in the meantime, keep all that excitement boiling bubbling up in your bellies as Chelsey starts us off.

[00:02:19] Trey Gerrald: How are you doing girl?

[00:02:20] Chelsey Donn: I am good. You know, we're like in, I just feel like the year starts, the summer ends. We're like in the race of it. All right. It just happens so quickly. Wedding season, I think is officially done. I think I attended my last wedding

[00:02:35] Trey Gerrald: Mmm.

[00:02:36] Chelsey Donn: of the season. Which is, you know, both sad and a little bit of a relief.

[00:02:42] Trey Gerrald: yes,

[00:02:43] Chelsey Donn: right. Gotta say it both could exist at the same time. I love my friends, but I've been pretty good. Although, you know, Trey and I, we took a couple weeks off cuz I was traveling with the weddings and such. And so I gotta say it. I do miss you when we Donn, don't get to record as frequently as usual.

[00:03:00] Trey Gerrald: I know it is interesting. Like when we began this journey, I didn't really think about much of the like weekly impact. When you go into business with someone, it really is a true relationship. So when we aren't in constant contact, it does feel like, oh, what's happening in the world.

[00:03:17] Chelsey Donn: I know it's a strange feeling, so I'm glad that we're.

[00:03:20] Trey Gerrald: said that people come into our lives. Do you know where

[00:03:26] Chelsey Donn: for a reason. My, did I not go to TIS school? The arts it's wicked for good. In fact, I went to the Hollywood bowl one time. To see Kristen Chenoweth. And she does this whole stick where she pulls someone from the audience to come and sing for good with her.

[00:03:45] Chelsey Donn: And so allegedly, she randomly pulls this girl from the audience who just happened to be a vocal teacher for her children. And she was great and I was there and then it went viral

[00:03:58] Trey Gerrald: I was gonna say, I've seen that. Oh, you

[00:04:00] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, I was there. I was like, actually there.

[00:04:04] Trey Gerrald: I thought she looked familiar. Wow. Chelsey, you really did a good job singing with her.

[00:04:09] Chelsey Donn: Oh, thank you. Oh my goodness. You recognized me. Oh yes. I can't!' imagine, but it wasn't me. It was this other chick who congratulations to

[00:04:21] Trey Gerrald: Congratulations to her.

[00:04:23] Chelsey Donn: but because it's been so long, try since we've spoken and I Donn Donn. Don't know if I'm like cutting you off because I didn't really get to hear your catch up, but I've really been like aching to complain about stuff.

[00:04:33] Trey Gerrald: All right. Well, why Donn? Yeah, let's do it. Why Donn? Don't you start Chelsey. Do you wanna go ahead and

[00:04:37] VOICEOVER: Lodge Complaint.

[00:04:39] Chelsey Donn: I do I have a Complaint to Lodge? Yes, I do. So I wanna talk about shady auto subscriptions. And what I mean is I've gone on your website to purchase an item for the first time. Never bought it before, and somehow I become. Auto subscribed to like a monthly ordering of this item. I Donn I'm like deciding whether or not I wanna put this company on blast or not.

[00:05:06] Chelsey Donn: They're like a vitamin company.

[00:05:08] Trey Gerrald: no idea.

[00:05:09] Chelsey Donn: Okay. So I ordered these vitamins for like focus and energy and something, right. Like, like I said, getting back into the rat race, so I need a little something extra and I want to go natural. So I got these vitamins and I definitely didn't go through. The month supply in the first month, cuz I wasn't taking it every day and then sure enough, I get an email and they're like, your subscription is on its way.

[00:05:34] Chelsey Donn: Like you've been charged for like your monthly subscription. Yeah. And I was just so annoyed cuz it's one thing if like. You sometimes like on shoey for example, they'll say like, you can save, you know, $10 on this order, if you subscribe. Right. But then like, but then you're like pressing a button for this.

[00:05:56] Chelsey Donn: There was no pressing of a button. I never signed up for anything. All I did is put it in my cart and order it. And then now it was on auto ship. That's obnoxious.

[00:06:06] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. I, I wonder if it was like a random, tiny PRT option.

[00:06:11] Chelsey Donn: I'm sure it was a tiny print thing, but if it's like a tiny print and it's an auto selected tiny print, like that's messed.

[00:06:18] Trey Gerrald: That's shady.

[00:06:19] Chelsey Donn: Obviously you are doing this because you're trying to get people to just get stuck in this rat race of continually getting this product. And then their entire house is like covered in vitamin bottles and then they don't know what to do.

[00:06:34] Chelsey Donn: And they're like credit cards are maxed out. I mean, it's just no good.

[00:06:38] Trey Gerrald: I, I feel like I was aware, but I, it happened to me with landscaped where they like send you like replacement blades, like every six months or three months or something. And it's like, I don't really like, I'm sure that I probably knew what I was signing up for. Cuz it was cheaper, but I Donn don't recall it.

[00:06:56] Trey Gerrald: And like I eventually had to like cancel it cause I'm like, I don't need this. I don't need blades

[00:07:01] Chelsey Donn: need this many. I know.

[00:07:04] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, well, there nothing feels good about feeling P duped or not fully disclosed. You

[00:07:10] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. And it's just like, I think the question is at the end of the day, like, is it worth your reputation? for the amount of money that you make by duping people. It's like the gym membership thing where it's like, they make it impossible to cancel the gym membership. And you're like, okay, well like good for you.

[00:07:26] Chelsey Donn: You like ed people out of all this money, but are you sleeping well at the end of the night, knowing that you screwed people over, that's what I'm curious about. And if you are, then I don't really wanna support your company.

[00:07:37] Trey Gerrald: I've also noticed, cuz there's a couple of apps that like, I really enjoy. They're like subscription based apps. And so it's like, if you want to experience this for a month at this rate, click here and then, but what you're actually doing is signing up for one month at that rate. And then it's like a year subscription at like the actual rate.

[00:07:57] Chelsey Donn: right. Which is like double the price. I know. So obnoxious, truly

[00:08:02] Trey Gerrald: Well, I hear you. That is very frustrating. We need full transparency when it comes to subscriptions. Ugh.

[00:08:07] Chelsey Donn: Come on. Don't like it. All right. Trey. How about you? What's going on in your week? Have you like been collecting complaints in our hiatus?

[00:08:16] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. You know, I do feel like as long as people are breathing, there is

[00:08:22] Chelsey Donn: to complain about.

[00:08:23] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. But actually I'm gonna, um, step aside today, because we have.

[00:08:28] VOICEOVER: Listener voice.

[00:08:30] Chelsey Donn: Oh my God. Yay.

[00:08:32] Trey Gerrald: is from super listener, Stacey B, who we have mentioned before on the, on the podcast. And I want to specifically, before we even listen to the voicemail, I want to go ahead and say, follow them on instagram@staceyb.art. I incorrectly said the handle. The last time we talked about Stacy, and then if you wanna go to their website to purchase any of their tiny, tiny, tiny, gorgeous hand, drawn art it's B bottom art.com B E E.

[00:09:02] Trey Gerrald: But let's go ahead and listen to what Stacy has to complain about.

[00:09:06] Chelsey Donn: Okay. I can't wait.

[00:09:07] VOICEOVER: Hello, this is Stacy from South Carolina, and I would like to Lodge a Complaint. Um, in recent months I have had quite a number of doctor's appointments for me and my children in. Almost every single one. I get a message, a text message or an email a day or so before that says, please arrive 30 minutes prior to your appointment time.

[00:09:32] VOICEOVER: Now this really pisses me off because we scheduled this appointment months to a year ago. And you told me to be there at 8:00 AM. Now you're telling me 24 hours in advance or so to come in 30 minutes before my scheduled time. Why, if you want me there at seven 30 instead of eight, then tell me to be there at seven 30.

[00:09:56] VOICEOVER: And what really irritates me is that I get there at seven 30 and then I'm sitting there for 30 minutes because they've already sent me a patient packet in the mail that I filled out, like I'm supposed to at home. So I'm sitting there for 30 minutes wasting my morning. At the doctor's office. And that's what I'm doing currently right now is I'm waiting in my car.

[00:10:14] VOICEOVER: As my daughter goes into her appointment and she arrives 30 minutes early and she's sitting there in the lobby doing absolutely nothing. So I would just like to say, if doctor's offices want you there at a certain time split for that time. I don't want you to tell me a day or two in advance to come earlier to your appointment.

[00:10:34] VOICEOVER: That's really annoying and it's really inconsiderate and I'm sure they have all these reasons to do so, but I don't care. I really don't care. So anyway, that's my Complaint. And I have been holding onto this Complaint for quite a while, and I just needed to wait for the right moment to, um, call and let y'all know all about it.

[00:10:55] VOICEOVER: So, anyway, thank y'all so much. Bye. Bye.

[00:10:58] Chelsey Donn: Ugh, Stacy, I love you so much. First of all, this is giving me very, very like Jenny

[00:11:05] Trey Gerrald: Yes. I thought of that too.

[00:11:06] Chelsey Donn: vibes. We had another listener Complaint from Jenny who talked about the patient portal.

[00:11:12] Trey Gerrald: Mm-hmm

[00:11:13] Chelsey Donn: I will say like really good point, Stacy, because they should have told you that when you book the appointment, I hate when they do that, like I was booking an appointment recently and they were like, we can get you an eight o'clock appointment.

[00:11:24] Chelsey Donn: And they did say to me on the time, like, we're gonna need you there half an hour early. So I was like, great. So I'm gonna write down that I have a seven 30 appointment then cuz you want me to be there at seven 30? And she was like, yeah. I do wish that they would just say it like your appointment. Like we need you at the office at seven 30.

[00:11:40] Chelsey Donn: You'll see the doctor at eight from seven 30 to eight. We just need to make sure you're here and like, get you all checked in. And then, you know what I mean? Like, just call it what it is.

[00:11:51] Trey Gerrald: Well, I, I love that Stacy is calling in the present moment, like just mad and their car. I it's funny cuz Stacy addresses it in the Complaint, but I, my first thought was like, oh, I guess for like paperwork issues. But if they've already sent it, then I do feel like this half hour is just to cover the office's butt and the event that like you didn't fill it out correctly or there was something problem, some problem.

[00:12:17] Trey Gerrald: But now I'm hearing in both you and Stacy Chelsey. these early morning appointments. I wonder if they tell these early morning people to come early so that it doesn't throw the entire time schedule the entire day off.

[00:12:29] Chelsey Donn: Prep maybe.

[00:12:30] Trey Gerrald: people are always late. People are always

[00:12:33] Chelsey Donn: think that, I mean, my dad's a dentist and so like, it really will mess up his whole day if like, especially if the first pace yeah. Is late and then he's like sitting there waiting and then it just

[00:12:44] Trey Gerrald: God forbid the doctor has to. That just made me so mad. why did I, dad just got so mad about that.

[00:12:52] Chelsey Donn: they do have a full day.

[00:12:54] Trey Gerrald: Oh my God. That made me so mad Chelsey. Why did I get so

[00:12:57] Chelsey Donn: I don't know,

[00:12:58] Trey Gerrald: I mean, I understand. I

[00:12:59] Chelsey Donn: that. Um, there are humans as well as doctors anyway.

[00:13:05] Trey Gerrald: their job. Keep going.

[00:13:07] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. But they shouldn't have to wait. I Donn. I mean, I Donn don't think, I don't think showing up late to an appointment is like

[00:13:15] Trey Gerrald: Correct.

[00:13:16] Chelsey Donn: I really think that it's important for doctor's appointments to get on time.

[00:13:18] Chelsey Donn: I always get to my doctor's appointments early

[00:13:21] Trey Gerrald: Earlier than seven 30, or like, do you get there earlier than half an hour or earlier

[00:13:25] Chelsey Donn: I do, like when I have a doctor's appointment, if I have to be there at seven 30, like I will like make sure that I'm at the parking lot by like seven 15, cuz like I just, I don't like to be late for doctor's appointments cuz I do know that like or anytime, really, I just don't like to be late and if I am gonna be late, I will always call.

[00:13:43] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I had a roommate who was like super irresponsible and was really hard for him to get out of the door and he would just like show up to his Z's appointments an hour late. And then like, be surprised when they were like, I'm sorry, we can't see you. Like,

[00:13:58] Trey Gerrald: That's crazy.

[00:13:59] Chelsey Donn: did you think you were just gonna stroll on in there an hour late?

[00:14:02] Chelsey Donn: And they were gonna be like, right this way, sir? Like what

[00:14:05] Trey Gerrald: I also, like, I don't think of going to the doctor in the morning. I Donn don't like doing anything in the morning, especially waking up, but I, yeah, I usually want to do mid afternoon.

[00:14:15] Chelsey Donn: Well, the thing about these doctor's appointments, which I think Stacy was bringing up, I don't know if like they were months booked out. Months. So like I had, it didn't matter what time I wanted to go. Like I was going whenever there was an appointment available.

[00:14:30] Trey Gerrald: Well, I was thinking that too specifically, it's like a double Complaint on top of Stacy's Complaint is like it's for Stacy's child, one of Stacy's child, children. So Stacy has to, and now we're in this, you know, disease time of her lives, where it's like, you're not allowed and the waiting office or the doctor's office.

[00:14:48] Trey Gerrald: So Stacy has to sit in the car. So that's another half hour of sitting doing nothing on top of the appointment. Like, I definitely hear that. That's definitely frustrating. I am someone who is always afraid of being late, so I'm always early. So I don't know. It doesn't really bother me that much. The half hour.

[00:15:08] Trey Gerrald: I love having some quiet time to myself, but if it was at seven 30, I

[00:15:12] Chelsey Donn: think it's the, I also think it's the kids factor. You know what I mean? Like getting children out of the house.

[00:15:19] Trey Gerrald: That's tough. Yeah. To just have a 30 minute buffer is

[00:15:23] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. Yeah. And then like, you're schlepping them and you're, they're complaining and you're dealing with all this stuff and then you like finally get there and then they're like, I have to wait. You know what I mean? Like, cuz kids are just, I'm sorry, I'm not projecting onto your children, Stacy. I'm sure your kids are lovely, but kids do like to Kvetch, you know?

[00:15:42] Trey Gerrald: That is tough. Yeah. Their whole, yeah, that's tough. I mean, I wonder how many people are late for the half hour buffer, cuz if it was a 15 minute buffer, like please arrive 15 minutes early. I feel like people would just disregard that to me. The idea of coming half an hour early is like a big

[00:15:58] Chelsey Donn: there very well might be a psychological component, but I think that the Complaint that Stacy is giving isn't that even they had to arrive a half hour early. But that they had this appointment, like months out. And then the day before they were like, by the way, remember when you like planned your entire schedule to be here at 8:00

[00:16:17] Trey Gerrald: need you to

[00:16:17] Chelsey Donn: Actually we need you at seven 30, which like, that's just annoying when you're already waiting for an appointment. So Stacy, I hear you. I'm all fired up with you. I Donn don't like last minute changes, period. You

[00:16:31] Trey Gerrald: That's really frustrating.

[00:16:32] Chelsey Donn: know, great Complaint,

[00:16:34] Trey Gerrald: Stacy.

[00:16:35] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I mean, listeners be like Stacy, if you're in the car and like you're having a real time situation or whatever it is, give us a call stuck in traffic and you really hate traffic.

[00:16:44] Chelsey Donn: 1 8, 5, 0 review, zero. Do whatever you want, complain about whatever you want.

[00:16:49] Trey Gerrald: Well, that's the biggest takeaway there. I love that Stacy filled that half hour by calling the review Queens. I think you all should do that the next time. You're just waiting. Call us.

[00:16:57] Chelsey Donn: Everybody likes to be able to Kvetch sometimes. And this is a voicemail that you can literally just call it a Kvetch. So please take advantage. And speaking of kvetching,

[00:17:07] Trey Gerrald: Ooh, should we do it? Should we jump into some online reviews?

[00:17:11] Chelsey Donn: think we should.

[00:17:14] Trey Gerrald: Let's go.

[00:17:17] VOICEOVER: Review That Review.

[00:17:22] Chelsey Donn: As you know, we are your trustee review Queens. We bring in reviews from the internet that we feel need to be inspected.

[00:17:30] Trey Gerrald: We read you a review, then we break it down and we rate the impact of the review on a scale from zero to five crowns. This is a very Regal process that we call.

[00:17:44] Chelsey Donn: That's right. So, Trey, what have you got for us today?

[00:17:48] Trey Gerrald: Hold on. I really have, I have to pee really bad. Hold on. Okay. Wait, is that okay? Hold on.

[00:17:52] Chelsey Donn: Oh, yes. Pee before. Yeah. I'm trying to think if I have a story for you guys. Oh, my God, he's a witch. What happened? Oh my God. It's wicked. Was that why you were singing for good? Oh my God. Trey is stressed. Like from wicked. He has green hands. Oh my God. I'm a little, you know, that I'm afraid of like everything.

[00:18:20] Trey Gerrald: Woo

[00:18:21] Chelsey Donn: Wow.

[00:18:22] Trey Gerrald: ChelseyBD Chelsey today. I have a One-Star-Zinger Yelp

[00:18:27] Chelsey Donn: okay.

[00:18:29] Trey Gerrald: for wicked the musical on Broadway.

[00:18:32] Chelsey Donn: my

[00:18:33] Trey Gerrald: Woo. I didn't have to pee. I was putting on this costume.

[00:18:38] Chelsey Donn: Wow. Trey, you've out done yourself. I love it. I mean, I love that you brought it in, in the beginning and I had no idea when you were saying for good. We had that Kristin Chenoweth chat moment. Really impressive.

[00:18:52] Trey Gerrald: you can't even see the top of the hat. Okay. That's better.

[00:18:56] Chelsey Donn: Trey. Like how are these like wicked gloves that are like so nice with the nails?

[00:19:05] Trey Gerrald: made the, this was our Halloween costume a couple of years ago.

[00:19:08] Chelsey Donn: Oh, That's right. That's right.

[00:19:11] Trey Gerrald: Um, this is I'm wearing my earphone upside down. these are nailed, uh, gloves that I

[00:19:18] Chelsey Donn: Oh my God.

[00:19:19] Trey Gerrald: I dyed them green to match the Mac Chrome, a cake makeup that they use for wicked on Broadway.

[00:19:26] Chelsey Donn: Wow.

[00:19:27] Trey Gerrald: anyway, back to the point. Okay. So today I'm gonna share with you this, uh, review from Valerie w for the musical wicked.

[00:19:36] Trey Gerrald: Now Valerie wrote. Over 10 years ago.

[00:19:40] Chelsey Donn: All right. I, I probably, I saw it when it first came out, so I definitely look, I've seen that cast probably.

[00:19:47] Trey Gerrald: So if anyone doesn't know what wicked the musical is, It's been on Broadway since I think 2003, I think. Yes. I think it opened in October of 2003 and it's basically a prequel to the wizard of Oz. So it's imagining that the wicked witch of the west is the protagonist and actually isn't evil. So it's their tagline, I think for many years was what happened before Dorothy dropped in or something.

[00:20:15] Trey Gerrald: Okay. So here we go. This is Valerie W's One-Star-Zinger Yelp review for the musical wicked, who knew that you could review musicals on Broadway on Yelp.

[00:20:25] Chelsey Donn: Wow. Yeah, I didn't, I think this is my first Yelp Broadway show review. I can't wait.

[00:20:31] Trey Gerrald: Here we go.

[00:20:32] Chelsey Donn: I alright.

[00:20:35] Trey Gerrald: I would like to stress something. This show did caps not receive good reviews when it first opened, it was almost universally panned by critics. It also did not win the Tony award for best musical and for good reason, it's not a good musical, whether or not you find it entertaining is one thing.

[00:21:01] Trey Gerrald: But as a piece of musical theater, it's garbage,

[00:21:07] Chelsey Donn: What.

[00:21:07] Trey Gerrald: the music is in my opinion, pretty awful. The songs, mostly the green witches are over belted to the point of being shrieky. I felt like I was being yelled at the entire time. It's a primarily pop score, but not nearly on the same level of quality as other pop scores, like Le. Or even some of Andrew Lloyd Weber's work the lyrics range from amusingly clever parentheses, popular to stupid and cliche parentheses. I'm not that girl dancing through life. The humor consists of snappy one liners, some of which are cringeworthy parenthesis. Wands, do they need a point Hardy har har you'll probably get some laughs.

[00:22:12] Trey Gerrald: However, I expect more from a drama than laughs. That's not satisfying to me, especially when everything else is pretty bland. The show takes itself so seriously while trying to be funny at the same time. Pick a tone, please. The story is poorly written. Their friendship is not well developed. They sing about how they're best friends and how they've supposedly been changed for the better, but we never caps.

[00:22:47] Trey Gerrald: See it. They bond over two or three scenes and that's it. The rest of the drama is based on a horrible love triangle. If the friendship is supposed to be the heart of the show and it's not developed well, then the show ultimately has failed. Also. I didn't find the quote unquote twists. Particularly clever.

[00:23:11] Trey Gerrald: It felt like most of them were cop outs. Parentheses. That didn't happen. This happened when they should have been more cleverly woven into the original story of the wizard of Oz. In fact, some of them are total plot holes. But I won't spoil anything. Dot, dot, dot.do do, do dot what can I say? You'll probably go see it because everyone's seeing it.

[00:23:41] Trey Gerrald: Sometimes. It's good to experience certain shows once just to be in the loop, but Donn don't expect a theatrical masterpiece.

[00:23:54] Chelsey Donn: Wow. Trey way to hit the note. Valerie.

[00:24:01] Trey Gerrald: Valerie did not like it.

[00:24:04] Chelsey Donn: I, I very much disagree. I think I've seen wicked probably like 10 times.

[00:24:10] Trey Gerrald: mm-hmm really.

[00:24:11] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, because I, I started NYU in 2004 and it was, yes, it was like the most popular show. And so anytime anyone came to visit, they wanted to see wicked. So I did the lottery all the time and I really like it.

[00:24:27] Chelsey Donn: I think it's a great show. I Donn don't remember. Maybe you now try. So it is based on a book called wicked, right?

[00:24:37] Trey Gerrald: by Gregory and McGuire the life and times of the wicked witch of the west. I think

[00:24:42] Chelsey Donn: So like a lot of, I mean, I didn't read the book, so I can't really speak to this, but a lot of like the plot points I would imagine are pulled from the book. So it's like, it sounds like Valerie wants the story itself to be focused in a different way or somehow different. But the reality is at the end of the day, this is an adaptation of another work,

[00:25:05] Trey Gerrald: correct.

[00:25:06] Chelsey Donn: right?

[00:25:07] Chelsey Donn: So that's like one place where I feel. I don't know, Valerie, I don't really know. I, I just, I'm curious what Valerie's expectations were going in. I also, maybe again, could be me, but I don't think of lay MIS as being a pop score, nor do I think of Andrew Lloyd Weber as being pop

[00:25:27] Trey Gerrald: Well, they were pop

[00:25:29] Chelsey Donn: back. But this is like a more, much more modern pop.

[00:25:35] Chelsey Donn: Wouldn't you say, especially in terms of like the belting and all of that that's going on, I think was very indicative of like the Edina Menzel era of like how high can you belt? That was like the whole Shick

[00:25:49] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I think one could make a point that we couldn't have gotten too wicked if we had not had Andrew Lloyd Weber, but I wouldn't compare wicked to like Joseph in the amazing shining color dream coat

[00:26:03] Chelsey Donn: A hundred percent agree. I mean, that's the, I think, yes, we couldn't have had any modern musical theater without the predecessor. However, we're not comparing apples to apples here when we're bringing. When we're bringing up angel Lloyd Weber, like, I don't know. It just really makes me wonder what Valerie was expecting.

[00:26:24] Chelsey Donn: And also just like, if I didn't know what the, so it's 10 years ago and I decided to go in Yelp and I decided to read this review. Is there a lot of value here? It does feel very complainy, you know,

[00:26:38] Trey Gerrald: Well, it's interesting to me because I think Valerie opening

[00:26:43] Chelsey Donn: mm-hmm,

[00:26:44] Trey Gerrald: with this anger that it did not win best musical and that it was not received well, is very telling. I think that Valerie already has an opinion, um, about the cultural phenomenon versus what

[00:27:02] Chelsey Donn: What they're saying?

[00:27:04] Trey Gerrald: Masterful musical theater. Art

[00:27:06] Chelsey Donn: Do you recall that being the case

[00:27:09] Trey Gerrald: Yes.

[00:27:09] Chelsey Donn: you do that it didn't get great reviews in the.

[00:27:13] Trey Gerrald: Oh yeah. I mean, it was like very famously, not a hit, but then it became a hit. Well, it was like a hit, but yeah, it was very much panned by many critics over.

[00:27:25] Chelsey Donn: Cause I loved it. And I think again, where Valerie lost me is there are so many things about this show that you can say are good. Like for example, areas where they did win the Tony, I believe costumes stunning.

[00:27:40] Trey Gerrald: Mm-hmm

[00:27:41] Chelsey Donn: The talent was like really great. The singing I'm sure. Even 10 years ago, like anytime I've ever seen the show, the singing has always been amazing.

[00:27:50] Chelsey Donn: I just tend to believe you less when you're just on a Complaint, train for something that's been on Broadway for so long. Like obviously people. All agree with you. Otherwise the show wouldn't still be, you know, showing on Broadway. Like it doesn't make any sense that you're going so hard on wicked when it's like, this is obviously your opinion and does not represent the general public.

[00:28:19] Chelsey Donn: So leave a little bit of space for that. You know, like,

[00:28:22] Trey Gerrald: Well, it's funny to me because here, so wicked actually was nominated for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It got 10 Tony nominations. It only won for best actress in a musical best

[00:28:37] Chelsey Donn: Kristen or, or Adena.

[00:28:39] Trey Gerrald: ad Manzel, but they were both nominated and, and leading actress.

[00:28:42] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:28:43] Trey Gerrald: Eugene Lee won for best scenic design and then Susan Hilfer T won for best costume design.

[00:28:49] Chelsey Donn: Right. There are just things to compliment also. Is it a drama? I, I don't know if you could say it's a drama. Songs like popular. So, you know, like there are a lot of songs that are much more musical theater pitch, you know, I don't think this is presenting itself as 12 angry men. I mean, I'm just, I'm a little confused with the expectation here.

[00:29:16] Chelsey Donn: I think you're right. And that Valerie went in a little bit sour because it's not, not bad.

[00:29:24] Trey Gerrald: So I'm very intrigued by this review because I remember when wicked came out and I guess I, I have seen wicked three times. I did see wicked, like in the week that Broadway returned post COVID and. It is interesting to see cuz I do think, I, I remember there is, uh, there was a storyline culturally with theater critics that this is very low, common denominator, musical theater for commercialization sake, not art sake.

[00:29:55] Trey Gerrald: And there was a big conversation about that because this was like a new score. It was like sorta, I mean, it's like a new story. It's not based on a movie per se, but it is kind of based on a. Film, but it's its own original concept. It's not like Footloose the musical. So there was a lot of back and forth about what will Broadway become now that we are just only musical popular films.

[00:30:20] Trey Gerrald: So then I think people had some opinions and anytime an art form is going through an evolution. I think it happened. Rent which Edina Menzel was also in, it also happened recently with Hamilton where people are changing the form by introducing something new. I think people that are purists are gonna be upset.

[00:30:40] Trey Gerrald: And I think that the point about a pop score belated, I think people are gonna hate on it because it's not what was like, this is not Oklahoma, but I could also argue.

[00:30:53] Chelsey Donn: So,

[00:30:53] Trey Gerrald: That perhaps it is over belted. Why, why is everything? So belty why I don't know it's thrilling. So I love it. I've watched, I've sat in the seats three times, but I have watched wicked on YouTube more than I've probably watched.

[00:31:08] Trey Gerrald: Myself in a mirror, like I have consumed wicked so much. Do I think it's a masterpiece in theater? No. Do I think it's offensive? No, I did think it was offensive in 2003, cuz I

[00:31:19] Chelsey Donn: you did.

[00:31:20] Trey Gerrald: purist, but also it's sort of like who cares?

[00:31:23] Chelsey Donn: write this?

[00:31:25] Trey Gerrald: I'm Valerie

[00:31:25] Chelsey Donn: Are you Valerie?

[00:31:26] Trey Gerrald: I'm Valerie, as I'm dressed up as. There is a conceit.

[00:31:31] Trey Gerrald: And I think that Valerie probably has the opinion that if this is not a masterpiece in musical theater, it's trying to grab people that are lowest common denominator. And I would imagine if you're looking up reviews on Yelp, you might not be a purist lover of musical theaters. And so like, it is interesting that she's come here to say, people think this is, this is garbage, it's garbage,

[00:31:53] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:31:54] Trey Gerrald: but it.

[00:31:56] Chelsey Donn: Is it the right forum?

[00:31:57] Trey Gerrald: And that she's so resigned at the end that it's like, you're probably gonna see this anyway.

[00:32:02] Chelsey Donn: I know, you know what I was just thinking, as you were talking about sort of this evolution is, and the belting, cuz when she said that I was thinking, I guess there is a lot of belting, but then I, but then I remembered this was really the American idol. Era, you know what I mean? And there was something very exciting about being able to see someone live, do what we were seeing on American idol.

[00:32:28] Chelsey Donn: See these like incredible vocal talents, just slaying eight shows a week, which is hat off to you because that is not easy to do. And I do think that. Was a big part of the spectacle. This show is a Broadway spectacle through and through from the sets to the costumes, to the belting of the songs, to the, you know, Glenda, you know, in the bubble, this spectacle American idol, era musical theater.

[00:33:03] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. And it's interesting on this American idol conversation, because when we just saw it,

[00:33:09] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:33:09] Trey Gerrald: we saw the main actress for act one. And then during intermission, she could not continue with the show. So then we saw another person playing alphabet in act two, which in itself is thrilling, but that just shows how difficult the role is.

[00:33:24] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:33:25] Trey Gerrald: yeah, I think your point here is sort of like what's wrong about bringing people to the theater with something that's accessible. I mean, I'd much rather see wicked than. Minions the musical or something, you know? And then this whole thing about like the friendship. I remember when the revival of miss Saigon happened, like, I was like, wait, like they just saw each other and now they're like singing how they're like the stars in the moon.

[00:33:53] Trey Gerrald: Like. That's so unbelievable, but it's also like they have to become friends in order to get the

[00:33:59] Chelsey Donn: of disbelief.

[00:34:00] Trey Gerrald: The story has to continue. Like we can't spend three hours on them becoming friends. You have to just like buy into it.

[00:34:07] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, and I, yeah, I agree. And I, I don't really agree with all the, the holes. I, I think we can't be there all day. You know what I mean? We see, we see that like Glenda anda meet each other and they're like immediately, like they hate each other and then they start to like understand each other and then their friends, like that's, that's about all the room, like all the space we.

[00:34:30] Chelsey Donn: You know, so I Donn know, I, I think I'm just really struggling here because I've seen this show so many times and because I really disagree both with Valerie's opinion of the show, but also of her tactic being a reviewer and, and connecting to other people that are reading this. I just Donn don't. I think that it's very off putting, so I'm trying to.

[00:34:53] Chelsey Donn: See if I'm being too biased. And if there's anything I can put aside here to Assess some sort of value in this review.

[00:35:02] Trey Gerrald: Well, speaking of value, I I'm curious if Valerie doesn't like the show and thinks it's sort of, it's garbage a waste of time. So Valerie, instead of saying, in my opinion, it's garbage. I just want you to know that the consensus, when this first came out was that this was a piece of shit. So it's not just my opinion.

[00:35:20] Trey Gerrald: People also thought that it did not win best musical avenue Q won at win it. So like, this is bad,

[00:35:26] Chelsey Donn: But I'm very allergic to that kind of

[00:35:29] Trey Gerrald: Well, we all know that awards, even the Oscars, it's all political. None of it's real. None of it makes sense. Like they, it doesn't

[00:35:34] Chelsey Donn: yeah, I do think it's a little bit of like, okay, cool. So like, you wanna be like my opinion matters and it matters because it's in line with the Tony's.

[00:35:44] Trey Gerrald: Right. I Donn don't know. I feel like if I saw that, I, I, I do think that Valerie's coming armed with information. I mean, like if you were gonna go and you wanted to know what won the Olivia.

[00:35:55] Chelsey Donn: Yeah,

[00:35:56] Trey Gerrald: Then, like, maybe it is interesting to know this was not accepted or this was not loved universally as it has become.

[00:36:04] Trey Gerrald: And I'm a tourist, but it feels to me. Phantom or cats, like back in the day, it's like the lion king, like when you go to Broadway and you've, you're from Australia, like there are certain iconic

[00:36:17] Chelsey Donn: You just see

[00:36:18] Trey Gerrald: time that represent Broadway. And I think that wicked still is that I think wicked is the new Phantom or cats or Hamilton even.

[00:36:26] Trey Gerrald: It's like, you know, you want to go see That's because it's. Become transcendent of the genre. So this is an interesting point of view. I think there's value to hearing that someone really thinks it's garbage. You know, I don't know. Every review is an opinion. So like

[00:36:45] Chelsey Donn: it's true.

[00:36:46] Trey Gerrald: as far as spelling and grammar, it's pretty great.

[00:36:50] Trey Gerrald: There's not really any dings there. The truthful shady, I mean, it's hard

[00:36:55] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:36:56] Trey Gerrald: cuz I think there's aspects of both. I

[00:36:58] Chelsey Donn: I think that they're obviously telling their truth. Their truth just is shady,

[00:37:03] Trey Gerrald: Well, they're gathering truth from the past and sprinkling it, it in with, I think what their shady point of view is, is like, but then I also think it's interesting to end with sometimes it's good to experience a certain show once just to be in the loop. Just don't expect a masterpiece. Like you could read that as being shady, or you could read that as sort of being kind to

[00:37:23] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. That's a, yeah, that's a good.

[00:37:26] Trey Gerrald: But the overall feeling of this review from Valerie does feel a little shady. Like if you don't like it that much. Great. You know,

[00:37:36] Chelsey Donn: Right. Yeah. It feels a little heavy handed.

[00:37:39] Trey Gerrald: it's also interesting to me, there is no suggestion for what to see in its place and you probably have heard of it because it's famous, but like, I think it's bad.

[00:37:48] Chelsey Donn: right. And that's where, that's what I meant when I was saying, like, in terms of the value here, it's like, all I'm getting is that I know that Valerie hated this show. I don't know if I will feel the same way, but I know that Valerie felt this way.

[00:38:02] Trey Gerrald: So do you think that there's humor here? Like, was it entertaining? I had a couple of chuckles.

[00:38:07] Chelsey Donn: Um, I chuckled, but I didn't, I think it was more because I was looking at you in a witch costume if I was chuckling, I Donn, I don't know that this was like funny. I really, I think that Valerie was like angry and, and took to Yelp.

[00:38:25] Trey Gerrald: All right. So should we talk about impact in our crown.

[00:38:29] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I think I'm ready to crown Valerie.

[00:38:34] Trey Gerrald: Oh, I think I am too. All right. So Chelsey and I each have our own set of zero to five Chrome cards. in an effort to be fair, not influenced by one another. We will sign simultaneously reveal our raving.

[00:38:51] Chelsey Donn: We're off to see the wizard.

[00:38:53] VOICEOVER: The. Are Tabulating to school.

[00:39:01] Trey Gerrald: hold on. It's hard with my nails. Okay.

[00:39:03] Chelsey Donn: Trey is holding up three and a half crowns. I am holding up two crowns. I Donn Donn two crowns, cuz mostly because I vastly disagree with Valerie. And I don't know that she's doing, you know, justice to the consumer of the review, which at the end of the day is the most important. I think we were a little bit.

[00:39:22] Chelsey Donn: Blinded by our own style, our own taste, which is valid, you know, which is, you know, completely valid, but maybe a, a little bit of a lack of balance. The reason why I went with the two crowns or awarded the two crowns, obviously spelling and all that. But it was a point you kind of made towards the end. So, you know, when, like there's a movie.

[00:39:44] Chelsey Donn: It's out or something like that, or a show for that matter. And everyone's like, oh my God, you have to see this. You have to see this. You have to see this. Sometimes it's good to have somebody that's like, eh, it wasn't that good. Cuz it kind of like takes it down a peg so that when you see it, you can be a little bit more neutral.

[00:40:02] Chelsey Donn: I feel like. Maybe Valerie w is like a little bit of like an Alchemist, um, in terms of the response to wicked, because if you go into anything with super, super high expectations, you're bound to be disappointed. So maybe if I was reading through reviews that were raving, raving, raving, and then I read this one, maybe it would just put me in a better.

[00:40:27] Chelsey Donn: Expectation head space when I was going to see the show. So I think maybe that's worth two crowns and, and that was where they came from for me. Why three and a half from you?

[00:40:38] Trey Gerrald: So I went with three and a half because

[00:40:43] Trey Gerrald: I, I, I'm not sure what the intention was for Valerie. or the audience Valerie's intending to reach because it's like so random for me to imagine that like a musical is gonna be on Yelp. Like when I found this, like, I don't even remember how I found it. It's so random.

[00:41:01] Chelsey Donn: were there other reviews?

[00:41:03] Trey Gerrald: Yes actually. And a couple of other ones I considered reading, but I thought that this was the most, like I appreciated that.

[00:41:10] Trey Gerrald: And part of the three and a half here for me is that Valerie came with a cultural understanding of what the piece was at a certain time. It's not just like, this is stupid. You know, there was like a little bit of intentionality around being articulate with what their history is to reasoning why they have the viewpoint they have, which I thought was interesting.

[00:41:34] Trey Gerrald: But on a personal level, I feel like maybe the test of time. Has proven that like perhaps the Tony award doesn't really matter, but also I think I tend to get outrageously emotional and angry when I see specifically Broadway shows and I know people feel this way with Oscar contender movies and people feel this way with.

[00:41:59] Trey Gerrald: Emmy television specials and people feel this way about Grammy award artists. It's like people get very passionate about art forms that they consume. And I think ultimately at the end of the day, I think American idol has really had an impact on musical theater to its detriment in my opinion. But at least this is a book musical that