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TRANSCRIPT of Episode 26: "Hanukkah Special!"

Review That Review with Chelsey Donn & Trey Gerrald
Episode 26: "Hanukkah Special!"


THEME SONG: [00:00:00] Everybody's got an opinion.

Every Californian and Virginian.

It's so hard to tell who to trust and who to ignore.

Someone's gotta settle the score.

Trey and Chelsey will help you choose!

Whose views win, which ones lose.

Online haters are comin' for you!

Baby, it's time to Review That Review!

[00:00:31] Chelsey Donn: Hi.

[00:00:32] Trey Gerrald: Hi. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Review That Review. The podcast dedicated to reviewing-

[00:00:38] Chelsey Donn: Reviews. That's right. We're just like Siskel & Ebert, only instead of reviewing cinematic masterpieces, we rate and review those hilarious, scathing, and sometimes suspicious online reviews.

[00:00:50] Trey Gerrald: That's Chelsey Donn.

[00:00:52] Chelsey Donn: And that's Trey Gerrald.

[00:00:53] Trey Gerrald: And together we are-

[00:00:55] VOICEOVER: The Review Queens.

[00:00:59] Trey Gerrald: But today, is not just any ordinary day. And today we are not just the Review Queens. Today, we are also Dreidel Queens, because it is Hanukkah.

[00:01:11] VOICEOVER: I have a little dreidel. I made it out of clay. And when it's dry and ready, with dreidel I shall play!

[00:01:16] Trey Gerrald: Yay.

[00:01:19] Chelsey Donn: Yay. Gimel, gimel, gimel.

[00:01:23] Trey Gerrald: Chai, chai, chai. No, hey, hey, hey! And tonight, the night that this episode is airing, it is our fourth night of Hanukkah. Chelsey, how's your Hanukkah week going?

[00:01:33] Chelsey Donn: Hanukkah week is great. Um, I mean as you would imagine, there's so much extra light, uh, around to access. Eight days worth of light. So it's good.

[00:01:43] Lodge A Complaint

[00:01:43] Chelsey Donn: And in the spirit of lightness, I just feel like I need to go right into my complaint, if that's okay?

[00:01:44] Trey Gerrald: Yes. Yes, take the floor. Tell us what, what just happened to you over the weekend.

[00:01:44] Chelsey Donn: I want to talk about traveling around the holidays in general, guys. I wanna, I wanna tal- I wanna have this conversation, my queens. So it always is bad traveling around the holiday. Like it just, it feels like it's never easy. I don't know if it's a universal thing. We're constantly being told Mercury is in retrograde and such, but it just feels like around this time specifically, the travel gods, they're angry. There's a lot of people trying to travel at the same time. And things just constantly go wrong. And I went to Colorado over the weekend thinking I'll have a nice weekend. We were delayed five hours going there.

[00:02:36] Trey Gerrald: Ahhh. [laughs].

[00:02:37] Chelsey Donn: I feel like three hours of which were on the plane. I was flying with Goldie, nightmare.

[00:02:43] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.

[00:02:43] Chelsey Donn: And then on the way back, we had to do an emergency landing, which is like never something you wanna hear.

[00:02:49] Trey Gerrald: Mm-mmm [negative].

[00:02:50] Chelsey Donn: See, it doesn't really roll of the tongue. It's not a great thing. It, it's very fear-inducing. So we had to do an emergency landing. I was flying in and out of Burbank for the first time ever. Didn't have such a great experience. No offense to the people that love-

[00:03:03] Trey Gerrald: Bob Hope.

[00:03:03] Chelsey Donn: ... Bob Hope. Okay? I'm not-

[00:03:05] Trey Gerrald: Wait, how far is the flight from Colorado-

[00:03:08] Chelsey Donn: It's not even that far. It's like two and a half hours. It's, it should've been a little nothing. But I was supposed to get into Colorado and have a full day on Friday, and that was completely robbed.

[00:03:18] Trey Gerrald: Ugh.

[00:03:19] Chelsey Donn: And then when we were traveling back... Yeah, emergency landing but at LAX.

[00:03:24] Trey Gerrald: Really?

[00:03:24] Chelsey Donn: Not at Burbank. Yeah, so we got on the ground, they were like, "Hey, guys. Uh, yeah, we're just, we, we are, we had to land at LAX, and we're gonna let you know what's gonna happen in a minute." And we're like, "What's gonna happen? I'm, like, down the street from here."

[00:03:38] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:03:38] Chelsey Donn: "Just let me off the freakin' plane and give me my bags. Like, what, like, what do you need to figure out here?" and they came back on the, the intercom thing-y. And he was, like, "So, we're just gonna fuel up here in Los Angeles at LAX and then we're gonna take off again and go to Burbank." And you're like, "Why do you need to fuel up to go, like, 20 miles? I could drive to Burbank in a shorter amount of time than it would take us to fly there at this point." I ended up getting off the plane 'cause I was like, "Let me off the plane, I wanna-"

[00:04:08] Trey Gerrald: So they did, they let you off?

[00:04:10] Chelsey Donn: They did, but then I needed to deal with, like, the recon from my checked bag, which was a little annoying. And I just had to come back to the airport later, but in a way it was worth it 'cause I just could not-

[00:04:21] Trey Gerrald: No, no.

[00:04:22] Chelsey Donn: ... spend another second on the plane. I had to get off. Goldie wanted to get off. It was time.

[00:04:27] Trey Gerrald: I just looked. Anyone that's not familiar with the map of, California, it's a 22-mile difference between Burbank and LAX.

[00:04:36] Chelsey Donn: Not happy about it.

[00:04:38] Trey Gerrald: That's crazy.

[00:04:39] Chelsey Donn: Who am I complaining to or at? I don't know.

[00:04:43] Trey Gerrald: [laughs].

[00:04:43] VOICEOVER: Lodge A Complaint!

[00:04:44] Trey Gerrald: That is terrible.

[00:04:46] Chelsey Donn: Lengthy complaint lodge. And honestly, at the end of the day, I don't know who to blame. Nothing, nothing is making sense anymore, you guys.

[00:04:53] Trey Gerrald: All right, well I hear, I hear that complaint. There is nothing more frustrating than when you have a set plan and the plan does not get executed correctly for reasons outside of your control. I, that's like such a, um, terrible feeling.

[00:05:09] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. And even karmically, I think you feel like if I had to deal with a delay on the way out, like I'm owed a no delay on the way home, you know?

[00:05:17] Trey Gerrald: Oh, for sure.

[00:05:18] Chelsey Donn: The double, the double whammy was, was really, really made it that much harder to deal with. Anyway, so Trey. I mean, I just, I launched into that without even asking you what-

[00:05:28] Trey Gerrald: [laughs]. No, it's like I understand. That seems very frustrating.

[00:05:31] Chelsey Donn: I just had, I could, I couldn't contain myself. So I wanna, like, take a step back. How was your week? Did you have a good week? I hope. I missed you a lot. And-

[00:05:47] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:05:47] Chelsey Donn: ... have you been, like, percolating about something you wanted to complain about? What's going on?

[00:05:47] Trey Gerrald: I've had a good week. You know, because I was raised Christian but I married a Jewish person, I do celebrate both holidays. And so, you know, traditionally we will see David's family. Uh, his parents for the first few nights of Hanukkah. So it's just a joyous season of gifts, but I do have something I need to complain about.

[00:06:05] Chelsey Donn: Okay, let's hear it.

[00:06:07] VOICEOVER: Lodge A Complaint.

[00:06:08] Trey Gerrald: Okay, so, you know, I was born in the mid-'80s.

[00:06:13] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:06:13] Trey Gerrald: And there was a very specific fashion to the mid-'80s, and I grew up in the '90s-

[00:06:19] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:06:19] Trey Gerrald: ... and the early 2000s. Both of which have very distinctive styles.

[00:06:23] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:06:24] Trey Gerrald: So, you know, I was in my 20s in the 2010s, now that we're in the 2020s-

[00:06:31] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:06:31] Trey Gerrald: ... I'm in my 30s.

[00:06:32] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:06:33] Trey Gerrald: And I am not of that age where I don't understand TikTok. I have no interest.

[00:06:38] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:06:39] Trey Gerrald: And it has come to my attention that me wearing skinny-ish tight jeans makes me an old person.

[00:06:47] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:06:48] Trey Gerrald: So I'm suddenly in this experience of, "Oh my god, this is the new version of mom jeans."

[00:06:55] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:06:56] Trey Gerrald: The fact, like, young people look at me in my... And I can't even wear skinny jeans becau- just because my, um, I have really ginormous calves, not because of anything I've done, just genetically.

[00:07:06] Chelsey Donn: Sure.

[00:07:07] Trey Gerrald: But I do wear slim jeans.

[00:07:09] Chelsey Donn: Sure.

[00:07:10] Trey Gerrald: And I, I have to, like, now wear baggy jeans.

[00:07:13] Chelsey Donn: No.

[00:07:13] Trey Gerrald: Like, what we wore in the '80s or '90s. Like, I'm just lodging a complaint against fashion trends that are connected to ageism, because I feel like I'm an old person because I don't wanna change my jeans. And I guess that is part of the whole cyclical circle of life where you just stop caring what little teenagers think of you, um, and you just are an old person with white tennis shoes from, like, Shoe Carnival. And, uh, you just wear skinny jeans. So I'm lodging a complaint against fashion trends. Why did, why did we have to change so much? And why are things from the '80s cool now? Like, why are teenagers wearing acid wash jeans. Like, it's so weird.

[00:07:54] Chelsey Donn: Because Tre- first of all, first of all, Trey, I feel this on such a personal level, okay?

[00:08:00] Trey Gerrald: Oh good.

[00:08:00] Chelsey Donn: I refuse to wear anything but a skinny jean. I feel you. I agree. I was told that we're not allowed to do the, like, hair swoop-y thing over. Like, if you have like more of a side part and you're wearing skinny jeans, that that is like a sure-fire sign of 'you're old' or something. And you're right- because at the end of the day, I don't care. I don't care. I'm always gonna swoop my hair. Like, pull my hair back. I don't like a center part. I'm just, you know, that's who I am, and I'm okay with it. And if that makes me old-

[00:08:36] Trey Gerrald: Then we can be old together.

[00:08:38] Chelsey Donn: At least we're old together, you know?

[00:08:40] Trey Gerrald: Oy gevalt. It's just, like, get out of here with that.

[00:08:43] Chelsey Donn: I know.

[00:08:43] Trey Gerrald: Anyway-

[00:08:44] Chelsey Donn: That's true. That is something that's come up quite a bit.

[00:08:47] Trey Gerrald: I wanna take these, um, travel and age issues-

[00:08:51] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:08:51] Trey Gerrald: And I wanna put them in maybe an oil burner and fry them into a light, a golden light-

[00:08:59] Chelsey Donn: Ooooh.

[00:08:59] Trey Gerrald: ... so that you and I can jump into some online reviews that are in the theme of Hanukkah.

[00:09:05] Chelsey Donn: I'm very about it. As you know, we are your trusty Review Queens. We each bring in a review from the internet that we feel needs to be inspected.

[00:09:13] Trey Gerrald: We read you the review. We break it down and rate the impact of the review on a scale from one to five crowns. It's very regal process that we have coined called-

[00:09:23] VOICEOVER: Assess that Kvetch.

[00:09:24] Chelsey Donn: And in honor of Hanukkah today, Trey and I are centering our reviews around this very holiday.

[00:09:32] Trey Gerrald: And Chelsey, my girl, you're first today.

[00:09:35] Chelsey Donn: I am. Yay.

[00:09:37] Trey Gerrald: Take it away RQ, Hanukkah you.

[00:09:40] Chelsey Donn: Aw, Hanukkah you, RQ.

[00:09:45] VOICEOVER: Review That Review.

[00:09:49] Chelsey Donn: First off, before I even start, if you're watching this on Patreon right now, you get to see how gorgeous and blue we both look.

[00:09:52] Trey Gerrald: Yes.

[00:09:52] Chelsey Donn: The light behind Trey is stunning. I wanted to talk about it before, but Trey wouldn't let me, and I was like-

[00:09:52] Trey Gerrald: [laughs]. I shushed her before we started recording. I shushed her-

[00:09:52] Chelsey Donn: I was eager, 'cause like guys, how gorgeous is this blue light happening behind Trey? And, I mean, I think for the first time in the past three recordings-

[00:10:15] Trey Gerrald: It's looking good.

[00:10:16] Chelsey Donn: ... I've gotten it right.

[00:10:16] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:10:16] Chelsey Donn: I got extra lights, and I, I'm actually, you can see me. It's a very exciting day here at Review That Review.

[00:10:23] Trey Gerrald: I like that it's dreidels, and gelt, and Stars of David and menorahs. You've got it all covered.

[00:10:24] Chelsey Donn: I really... thank you. I was eager to get it all in there. All right, I have a review. Now you guys know I love to give myself a challenge, and I always pick a name that I can't pronounce, so here we go. This review is written by La Coccinelle. I'm a have to spell it. L-A space C-O-C-C-I-N-E-L-L-E. What do you think that is, Trey? [laughs].

[00:10:59] Trey Gerrald: Oh, that's an... I, I instantly get lost if there's two consonants next to each other, so.

[00:11:06] Chelsey Donn: I know with the C-C?

[00:11:07] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:11:07] Chelsey Donn: I'm, like, is it La Coccinelle, La Coachen- I don't know. We're gonna-

[00:11:11] Trey Gerrald: But there's no accent marks?

[00:11:13] Chelsey Donn: So this review is from Goodreads, I should say. I don't know if Goodreads allows for an accent or not, but there is no accent. What are we, we gotta agree on something because we're gonna talk about them a lot.

[00:11:24] Trey Gerrald: La Coccinelle?

[00:11:25] Chelsey Donn: All right, so we'll call them La Coccinelle. La Coccinelle has written a two-star review on Goodreads for the book, Daddy Christmas and Hanukkah Mama.

[00:11:40] Trey Gerrald: What? [laughs].

[00:11:41] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. Now, I feel like our audience has a totally different relationship with the title of this book. And I'll be honest, when I first read it, I was like, "Daddy Christmas and Hanukkah Mama? [laughs]. Like, y- is this, what is this? A porno? Like, I don't know." But-

[00:12:01] Trey Gerrald: Oh wait, I think now I'm gonna like where this is going, now that I think about it.

[00:12:06] Chelsey Donn: Why?

[00:12:06] Trey Gerrald: Well, at first you said," Daddy Christmas," and I thought it would be Hanukkah Harry.

[00:12:11] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:12:11] Trey Gerrald: But now is this for children that have two separate religious parents? Oh, very nice okay.

[00:12:16] Chelsey Donn: That is what it is. That exact... But, like, am I weird that when I first read that I was like, "Hanukkah daddy?" I mean, I don't know.

[00:12:23] Trey Gerrald: [ laughs]. It occurred to me too, obviously.

[00:12:26] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:12:26] Trey Gerrald: For some reason you can't say daddy without it being like that.

[00:12:29] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, I mean-

[00:12:29] Trey Gerrald: Head tilt.

[00:12:30] Chelsey Donn: Oh. Yeah, exactly. So-

[00:12:32] Trey Gerrald: Okay.

[00:12:33] Chelsey Donn: All right. Let's hear La Coccinelle's opinion. "This book makes one huge assumption. That children will be familiar with both Christmas and Hanukkah celebrations."

[00:12:47] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.

[00:12:48] Chelsey Donn: "There's little explanation for why people do the things they do to celebrate these holidays. Mentions are made of leaving latkes out for Santa and putting gelt under the Christmas tree. But the significance of these things isn't explained. Children who might not be familiar with Christmas will be doubly confused, as the book makes mention of both the religious story, Jesus' birth, and the more secular one, Santa Claus. Having read a couple of other picture books about Hanukkah now, I feel like I have a basic grasp of what's going on."

[00:13:30] Trey Gerrald: [ laughs].

[00:13:31] Chelsey Donn: "And this book doesn't even really cover the basics. I am also still confused about the king and queen. Who are the king and queen? Is that a Jewish thing or a Christian one? I've never heard of it."

[00:13:47] Trey Gerrald: [laughs].

[00:13:49] Chelsey Donn: "The book may be short, but there are places that more explanation could've been added. Instead, we get four pages about holiday cleanup. I'm not exaggerating, unfortunately. I didn't really like the pictures here. Some of them are okay, and I like the use of what looks like collage in addition to the drawings. However, the characters in profile are creepy. Something about the eyes.

[00:14:15] Chelsey Donn: "I've been waiting for this book from the library for so long that Hanukkah's over, and that leads to me to yet another problem with this book. The story as it's written is only going to make sense in years where Hanukkah and Christmas overlap. The differing dates can cause confusion for kids. and I'd like to know how a family like this would celebrate their holidays in a year like 2018. Would Hanukkah and Christmas be more self-contained? Would they bother stuffing the turkey with kugel and leaving latkes out for Santa or just keep the traditions separate?

[00:14:55] Chelsey Donn: "Overall, I was disappointed. This book is gonna have very limited appeal, and may only work for children who find themselves in the same situation as Sadie. Otherwise, it doesn't really add anything to the discussion. You could achieve the same thing by explaining with one simple sentence: 'Some people combine Christmas and Hanukkah traditions.' If you're gonna expand on that sentence in a book, the story needs to do more than just find different ways of repeating that sentence without offering any more information about the traditions themselves."

[00:15:36] Trey Gerrald: Oh my god.

[00:15:40] Chelsey Donn: [laughs].

[00:15:41] Trey Gerrald: Okay, wait. I am very confused-

[00:15:44] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:15:44] Trey Gerrald: ... because I assumed from the top, the attack about: " What are the reasons? What is significance? Why is this tradition?" Which is very culturally Jewish-

[00:15:54] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:15:55] Trey Gerrald: ... to understand traditional lineage. But then later in the review, La Coccinelle says they've read a couple of picture books so now they're an expert on Judaism.

[00:16:06] Chelsey Donn: Yes. Yes.

[00:16:08] Trey Gerrald: So, is La, La Coccinelle in this situation themselves? Like, are they in a mixed religious home or not? Like, I, I'm very confused.

[00:16:21] Chelsey Donn: Right. I think that La Coccinelle is not, which, is my impression because they're like, "This book only makes sense if you're in this exact situation." So were they feeling bad that it didn't make as much sense to them?

[00:16:35] Trey Gerrald: Well, if La Coccinelle is just simply curious, and not finding themselves in the shoes of Sadie, which just hilarious that the main character's name is Sadie.

[00:16:45] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:16:46] Trey Gerrald: 'Sadie, Sadie married lady,' but- I commend wanting to expand one's mind and experience in life-

[00:16:53] Chelsey Donn: Sure.

[00:16:53] Trey Gerrald: ... but I am not sure if that is the case, because they mention that it took so long to get it from the library that it's now past Hanukkah-

[00:16:59] Chelsey Donn: Right, but they still read it.

[00:17:00] Trey Gerrald: ... which then, which then, like, that sort of comes into conversations of privilege and... Because I'm like, if you're waiting that long, can't you find another library? Can't you just go to Books A Million in the mall and just read it in the store?

[00:17:11] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:17:11] Trey Gerrald: But-

[00:17:11] Chelsey Donn: And also, like, of course the b- if the book is out right before Hanukkah, you're not getting that book back until after Hanukkah, 'cause-

[00:17:19] Trey Gerrald: Correct.

[00:17:19] Chelsey Donn: ... the person that lent it is, is gonna want it for the duration of Hanukkah.

[00:17:23] Trey Gerrald: It's just very interesting to me. I'm, this is such an interesting review because-

[00:17:29] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:17:30] Trey Gerrald: ... does a book become insignificant if it's only for a very niche group of people? Because that is an argument that La Coccinelle is making.

[00:17:40] Chelsey Donn: Right. Yeah, I, I came across that same thought when I read that portion of it, because I thought, "Well, isn't that the point of books?"

[00:17:48] Trey Gerrald: Like- the genres. That's why we have-

[00:17:49] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:17:50] Trey Gerrald: ... multiple genres in bookstores.

[00:17:51] Chelsey Donn: Right, like this book exists because there are families that have parents of different faiths. One parent being Jewish, one parent being Christian. It happens all the time. So you would think if you were in that situation, you would be looking for a book like that. And if I were, let's say an author who maybe grew up in that kind of situation or something like that, maybe I would feel compelled to write a book so that there would be other kids, like me, who could feel like they were being seen in this moment. So what's the problem with the story tailored to a specific family?

[00:18:26] Trey Gerrald: Well, exactly. I mean, you need some narrative center piece.

[00:18:29] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:18:30] Trey Gerrald: But I'm curious because I hear La Coccinelle's point that if I wanted to raise children in my interfaith home, I would think that If I was choosing this book, I would have an expectation that it would really nurture and educate-

[00:18:46] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:18:47] Trey Gerrald: ... and give a lot of background. So you would hope that... I mean, I'm imagining, is this a children's book?

[00:18:52] Chelsey Donn: Yes. This is a children-

[00:18:53] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:18:53] Chelsey Donn: This is a children's book, which is also why I was confused... I mean, again, no offense, not trying to past judgment... but, like, La Coccinelle is writing this review as if they are just trying to... They, they never mentioned having a kid. Like, are they reading this to a child or they're reading this for their own pleasure, do we think?

[00:19:11] Trey Gerrald: I think-

[00:19:11] Chelsey Donn: And they've read a lot of children's books.

[00:19:13] Trey Gerrald: I really cannot deduce. I hon- I can't decipher the reason that La Coccinelle is reading this. I, for a while in the review, I thought it was because they were secretly an illustrator.

[00:19:24] Chelsey Donn: Oh, in, oh because the wh-

[00:19:25] Trey Gerrald: They have so many opinions about drawings.

[00:19:28] Chelsey Donn: Maybe.

[00:19:29] Trey Gerrald: I- you know, okay. I, I'm sort of two minds here.

[00:19:33] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:19:33] Trey Gerrald: But what is La Coccinelle's spelling and grammar like? Aside from how they spell their name.

[00:19:37] Chelsey Donn: OCD excellent.

[00:19:39] Trey Gerrald: Interesting. Okay.

[00:19:41] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [ affirmative].

[00:19:42] Trey Gerrald: All right, well-

[00:19:43] Chelsey Donn: Like, really, like this person seems like a writer. Like, the way that they, like, use ellipses. They have moments where they use-

[00:19:50] Trey Gerrald: Mmm.

[00:19:50] Chelsey Donn: ... bold lettering, and, you know, parenthesis. It's just, like, it's very pretty. Like, just looking at it and not reading it, you hang it on the fridge. Just looks- oh, even italicized words. Very sexy.

[00:20:01] Trey Gerrald: I love that about Goodreads.

[00:20:03] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:20:03] Trey Gerrald: You, you can really do, like, Microsoft Word formatting.

[00:20:06] Chelsey Donn: I- it's, yes. It's really well-formatted.

[00:20:09] Trey Gerrald: So I, I'm just curious about the timeline of, the month of December- ... because the examples that La Coccinelle uses-

[00:20:16] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:20:17] Trey Gerrald: ... to sort of point out that this can't work every year. Like, this is a leap year-type of book.

[00:20:22] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:20:23] Trey Gerrald: You can stuff a turkey with kugel. It doesn't matter. Like, that doesn't matter-

[00:20:27] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I thought the same thing.

[00:20:29] Trey Gerrald: Also, you can leave, you can leave latkes out for Santa-

[00:20:32] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:20:32] Trey Gerrald: ... even if Hanukkah was two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't... I don't know, like-

[00:20:36] Chelsey Donn: Completely agree.

[00:20:36] Trey Gerrald: Like, we didn't get an example, we didn't get examples of, like, if there's a specific thing you'd incorporate into Hanukkah-

[00:20:43] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:20:43] Trey Gerrald: ... dealing with Christmas. Like, if they aren't on the same, they maybe... But then I also don't think, like, if you're interfaith and you want this entire month to encapsulate both holidays, then, like, you're gonna have to do a little bit of scheduling.

[00:20:58] Chelsey Donn: Or creativity. Yeah. No matter what, the point is that everybody celebrates Christmas on December 25th, and if you're a Jewish kid, you're, like, not included in that. So this is a way of, of bridging the gap between the two, and I think it's really cool.

[00:21:13] Trey Gerrald: Me too.

[00:21:13] Chelsey Donn: Like, I love the idea of stuffing the turkey with kugel. I mean, it's... People do birthday months. It's the holiday month, you know? I- it's all month long.

[00:21:25] Trey Gerrald: Oh, wait. I do want to, I just have to mention-

[00:21:28] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:21:28] Trey Gerrald: 'Who are the king and queen?' What is-

[00:21:30] Chelsey Donn: I knew you were going to mention that.

[00:21:31] Trey Gerrald: Isn't that Harod and Ester or something? Queen Ester?

[00:21:35] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, but that's not Hanukkah.

[00:21:37] Trey Gerrald: No.

[00:21:38] Chelsey Donn: That's, um, Purim or-

[00:21:40] Trey Gerrald: But, but is it no- but isn't Hanukkah... No, that's Passover. When they were ... kicked out? That's Passover.

[00:21:44] Chelsey Donn: That's Passover.

[00:21:45] Trey Gerrald: ... 'cause that leaves time for-

[00:21:46] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:21:46] Trey Gerrald: So Hanukkah's the eight nights, 'cause they didn't have-

[00:21:49] Chelsey Donn: The, it was the, yeah-

[00:21:50] Trey Gerrald: ...The oil.

[00:21:50] Chelsey Donn: Because the candle, the oil for the candle-

[00:21:52] Trey Gerrald: But isn't that because of persecution?

[00:21:55] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:21:56] Trey Gerrald: Is it the king of Egypt?

[00:21:57] Chelsey Donn: I don't know.

[00:21:58] Trey Gerrald: They're slaves in Egypt.

[00:21:59] Chelsey Donn: That's Passover.

[00:21:59] Trey Gerrald: 'Next year in Jerusalem.' That's Passover.

[00:22:01] Chelsey Donn: That's Passover. But this was that they were... I think they were remaking the temple or something 'cause the temple had previously been-

[00:22:08] Trey Gerrald: Been destroyed.

[00:22:09] Chelsey Donn: ... destroyed, for, like, idol worship or whatever, and they were sort of... That was the whole, like, Maccabees, you know, like... Then they got the land ba- this is what I remember, you guys.

[00:22:19] Trey Gerrald: But see, but all of this is in-

[00:22:19] Chelsey Donn: But they went back and they built up the temple and they needed to get supplies. They, like, needed the light to continue working.

[00:22:26] Trey Gerrald: Right, but that king-

[00:22:28] Chelsey Donn: And the oil was supposed to only last for one day-

[00:22:29] Trey Gerrald: Maybe La Coccinelle doesn't celebrate either holiday because the Torah-

[00:22:34] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:22:35] Trey Gerrald: ... in Christian-speak is the Old Testament. So I don't know why La Coccinelle's confusio- I mean we don't know who the queen and king is. I mean, it seems that way in this conversation. But, like, that's not some, like, "Is that a Jewish thing?" Like, no the, it was like historical time-

[00:22:48] Chelsey Donn: I don't know, or is it a Christian thing? Maybe it is a Christian thing. I, like, like i- is there a king in the... Is Christ the king? I don't know. I don't know, guys.

[00:22:58] Trey Gerrald: Well, I think Christ is like a metaphysical king.

[00:23:02] Chelsey Donn: That's what I mean. Maybe there's like a storyline with that. I'm not sure. But the point is, the message that I'm getting is: anything that would be specific about teaching a child about the history of Christmas and about the history of Hanukkah was lacking. That there was not enough of that.

[00:23:20] Trey Gerrald: And, you know, the first... This is a true story, because I grew up in an area that didn't have a lot of Jewish people... the first time I ever even heard the word Hanukkah was the Rugrats special.

[00:23:30] Chelsey Donn: Oh, nice.

[00:23:30] Trey Gerrald: Which was completely tailored children. The Rugrats, was like an animated TV show, and it told the whole story, so there is real power in child storytelling. So I do really get La Coccinelle's point that they didn't take the opportunity to truly teach.

[00:23:48] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:23:49] Trey Gerrald: Which makes me question what is the age group, uh, for this book, because sometimes-

[00:23:52] Chelsey Donn: Right, right.

[00:23:52] Trey Gerrald: ... if they're too young, maybe it's too much at, you know.

[00:23:55] Chelsey Donn: Right. There's only, like, a certain amount of information you wanna-

[00:23:58] Trey Gerrald: Pad it with.

[00:23:59] Chelsey Donn: ... you wanna... And also this seems like it's a book about traditions and less about the history of what the holidays represent, right?

[00:24:08] Trey Gerrald: So then do you think that La Coccinelle's, like, do you think this is a truthful review? Or do we think they're being shady?

[00:24:14] Chelsey Donn: One of the places where I feel like La Coccinelle fails is letting us know the context in which she's reading this book. So that makes a little bit confusing to me, but I do think they were very disappointed. They had a lot of expectations-

[00:24:28] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:24:28] Chelsey Donn: They were waiting for this book from the library. They really, for whatever reason, wanted this book to be incredible, and they were disappointed.

[00:24:38] Trey Gerrald: So, like, if we were choosing to check this out from the library and we came across this review, does this leave you with an impression that this will be your experience? Or do you think this was a fluke experience? Because to me, like you said, it's this issue of context-

[00:24:53] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:24:53] Trey Gerrald: ... which I, I don't get-

[00:24:54] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:24:55] Trey Gerrald: ... because it might be interesting to read this little book about a, a character named Sadie and this is what their family does to celebrate both holidays. That doesn't have to, like, have anything to do with educating me, or how to incorporate... Like, it could just be a story.

[00:25:10] Chelsey Donn: I completely agree. I don't think that reading this review would stop me from buying the book, truthfully.

[00:25:15] Trey Gerrald: See, but, and I'm not sure, because-

[00:25:18] Chelsey Donn: Really?

[00:25:18] Trey Gerrald: ... Well, I really am just... I think the main point I'm getting from this review is that there's a lack of knowledge in the book. There's a lack of education-

[00:25:28] Chelsey Donn: But if you were buying the book because you were-

[00:25:31] Trey Gerrald: But I could buy this for my nephew, who has-

[00:25:34] Chelsey Donn: Oh yeah, so perfect. For your nephew. So, like, if you were gonna buy this for your nephew-

[00:25:40] Trey Gerrald: No-

[00:25:40] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:25:41] Trey Gerrald: I would probably still buy it because it's at least a book that incorporates both realities.

[00:25:46] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:25:47] Trey Gerrald: And so much of storytelling is very exclusive-

[00:25:50] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:25:51] Trey Gerrald: Exclusionary.

[00:25:52] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:25:52] Trey Gerrald: So I appreciate the openness, and then maybe I would still buy it hoping that something better will come along in the future that really teaches.

[00:26:00] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, or that maybe my expectations for this book are more about how can we combine the cultures. And I think it's a great idea to put kugel in turkeys, so if I was gonna read this to my baby, and this was how we were gonna talk about integrating these two worlds, then maybe they would be really excited to put the kugel in the turkey. And, like, we could Integrate some of these traditions, like putting the latkes out for Santa Claus, into our life in a way that kids... Kids love that kind of stuff. Like, "Oh, I read it in a book and now I'm gonna do it in real life." You know?

[00:26:33] Trey Gerrald: Correct.

[00:26:34] Chelsey Donn: So I actually think that some of the things that La Coccinelle pointed out as negatives, I thought were kind of cool.

[00:26:42] Trey Gerrald: So I, I didn't find this humorous on purpose. I sort of-

[00:26:46] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:26:47] Trey Gerrald: ... I was just laughing. Probably the funniest part was: "I've read a couple of picture books, so I think I understand."

[00:26:54] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, I mean I think it was just anecdotally funny because it's just so funny to think that somebody would take a book that's written for, like, three year olds this seriously enough to write as lengthy a review as what's-her-name wrote about, uh, like, 50 Shades of Gray.

[00:27:14] Trey Gerrald: Oh, Shenice?

[00:27:15] Chelsey Donn: Shenice. I love Shenice. But, like, you know, like this was worthy of a dissertation. This children's book-

[00:27:23] Trey Gerrald: Yes.

[00:27:23] Chelsey Donn: ... that is, probably just the kind of gift that you buy for an interfaith family for Hanukkah with, like, some cookies and latkes in it, you know?

[00:27:32] Trey Gerrald: I think we've inadvertently suggested another Shark Tank item.

[00:27:37] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. A basket with this book and-

[00:27:39] Trey Gerrald: No, someone needs to create, uh, more background, uh, traditional educational story for Sadie's family.

[00:27:47] Chelsey Donn: Oh, yes.

[00:27:48] Trey Gerrald: All right- i, I think I-

[00:27:49] Chelsey Donn: I think we've beaten this, like... We, we've gotten everything out of this we could get out of this in this assessment, I think. What do you think?

[00:27:56] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, I ca- I can crown it.

[00:27:57] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:27:58] Trey Gerrald: All right, so Chelsey and I each have our own set of one to five crown cards, and in an effort to be fair and not influence by one another, we will simultaneously reveal our rating.

[00:28:10] VOICEOVER: The Queens are Tabulating.

[00:28:12] Trey Gerrald: You ready?

[00:28:13] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:28:18] VOICEOVER: Total score-

[00:28:19] Chelsey Donn: Oh, unanimous. We are both holding up two and a half crowns. Okay, Trey, tell us why did you give La Coccinelle two and a half crowns?

[00:28:29] Trey Gerrald: Okay, this is something that's never occurred for me before, but I'm wondering if it's fair to review something if you didn't buy it. You just rented it from the library.

[00:28:39] Chelsey Donn: Mmm.

[00:28:39] Trey Gerrald: I think it is fair if you've-

[00:28:41] Chelsey Donn: I think it's fair-

[00:28:41] Trey Gerrald: ... if you've read it.

[00:28:42] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:28:42] Trey Gerrald: You don't have to own it.

[00:28:43] Chelsey Donn: In this ca- in this context, yes.

[00:28:45] Trey Gerrald: But that just occurred to me.

[00:28:46] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:28:46] Trey Gerrald: I gave it two and a half because I think the impact is a little less than middle of the road for me. I'm missing some key ingredients to connect me to La Coccinelle, because I wanna know if I'm in a similar place, because if I'm not, then maybe it doesn't really matter that much. I think this book-

[00:29:05] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:29:05] Trey Gerrald: ... can have value without it needing to be the educational tool for someone from zero-

[00:29:10] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:29:11] Trey Gerrald: ... which, I think maybe La Coccinelle wanted it to be zero, so-

[00:29:14] Chelsey Donn: But it was a two star.

[00:29:16] Trey Gerrald: It was a two star. That's a really great point.

[00:29:18] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:29:18] Trey Gerrald: I just, two and a half because ultimately, I still would consider buying it. And, like you said, some of the negative points actually seem positive to me. So for that reason, two and a half. Now you, Chelsey Donn, why did you also do two and a half?

[00:29:31] Chelsey Donn: Because, again, middle of the road, I felt like there were a lot of spoilers in there that were sort of interesting to me. I think the person that's gonna be reading this is probably gonna be a parent, so maybe it will have the positive affect where it had me now where I was like, "oh, this is interesting with the traditions." so I feel like there was a lot of information given, and the use of grammar and all the ways that the review was formatted was really great. So that was where the points came from. And then ultimately, yeah, took away those two and a half crowns because I don't think I really care, and it's not gonna keep me from buying the book. So that's that. Well, you know, we, we definitely... I think we did La Coccinelle justice.

[00:30:12] Trey Gerrald: I think so, too.

[00:30:12] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:30:12] Trey Gerrald: All right. Good job. Very funny review. Oh my god.

[00:30:16] Chelsey Donn: Thank you. Thank you. Okay guys, let's take a quick break and when we come back, we can get into RQ-T's review. I'm so excited.

[00:30:25] Trey Gerrald: Yay.

[00:30:29] VOICEOVER: Hold your crown. We'll be right back.

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[00:31:38] VOICEOVER: [singing].

[00:31:38] Trey Gerrald: It's

[00:31:51] Meryl-Go-Round

[00:31:51] Trey Gerrald: It's one-star zinger time. All right, Miss Chelsey, it's time to take a quick spin our own Meryl-Go-Round dreidel.

[00:31:59] VOICEOVER: I don't feel like an icon. Most of the days, I feel I can't. Starts with an A.

[00:32:10] Chelsey Donn: All right, Trey and I have each picked a rotten, scathing, pithy one-star zinger, and with 30 seconds on the clock, we'll each try to recite the zinger in as many genres as possible-

[00:32:23] Trey Gerrald: Just like Queen Meryl, who does it all.

[00:32:25] Chelsey Donn: ... before the clock runs out. Okay, Trey, you're first. What is your one-star zinger for today?

[00:32:32] Trey Gerrald: Okay, my zinger today is from and, once again, written by Amazon Customer, [

[00:32:40] Trey Gerrald: laughs]-

[00:32:40] Chelsey Donn: Amazon Customer is just all over the place, okay.

[00:32:43] Trey Gerrald: So prolific. And this is for the Holidayana Hanukkah dreidel inflatable decoration, eight feet giant Hanukkah dreidel inflatable yard decor With built-in bulbs, tie-down points, and powerful built-in fan.

[00:32:58] Chelsey Donn: I can't handle it, Amazon. How u- you have to do something about this.

[00:33:02] Trey Gerrald: No, they never will.

[00:33:03] Chelsey Donn: Please.

[00:33:04] Trey Gerrald: So the subject is: "Hebrew letters are upside down".

[00:33:10] Chelsey Donn: Oh.

[00:33:11] Trey Gerrald: And the zinger is: "This dreidel has Hebrew letters which are upside down."

[00:33:17] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. Okay. Straight to the point.

[00:33:19] Trey Gerrald: Major, major flaw.

[00:33:21] Chelsey Donn: Okay, Trey. You're strapped into a dreidel, but your dreidel, you have gimel, like, right up front.

[00:33:26] Trey Gerrald: Give it to me.

[00:33:27] Chelsey Donn: Yes. All right, let's do it. Are you ready?

[00:33:30] Trey Gerrald: I'm ready.

[00:33:30] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:33:31] VOICEOVER: Three, two, one. Go.

[00:33:35] VOICEOVER: Auctioneer.

[00:33:36] VOICEOVER: This dreidel has Hebrew letters which

[00:34:01] VOICEOVER: are upside down.

[00:34:01] VOICEOVER: Horror.

[00:34:01] VOICEOVER: This dreidel has Hebrew letters which are upside down.

[00:34:02] VOICEOVER: [laughs]. Shakespeare.

[00:34:02] VOICEOVER: This dreidel has Hebrew letters which are upside down.

[00:34:03] VOICEOVER: [laughs]. Opera diva.

[00:34:04] VOICEOVER: This dreidel has Hebrew letters which are upside down.

[00:34:04] VOICEOVER: Sports announcer.

[00:34:05] VOICEOVER: This dreidel has Hebrew letters which are upside down.

[00:34:05] VOICEOVER: Three, two, one.

[00:34:06] VOICEOVER: That's all.

[00:34:06] Chelsey Donn: Oh my god, trey. You did a great job. That was amazing.

[00:34:10] Trey Gerrald: Thank you.

[00:34:10] Chelsey Donn: The opera, diva-

[00:34:11] Trey Gerrald: That's my favorite.

[00:34:12] Chelsey Donn: ... gets me every time. I know. So that is five, Trey.

[00:34:16] Trey Gerrald: Whoo!

[00:34:16] Chelsey Donn: Good job.

[00:34:18] Trey Gerrald: All right, Queen. What about you?

[00:34:19] Chelsey Donn: All right, my one-star zinger for today is for... Oh my god, you guys, this was so gross. I was looking up Hanukkah recipes, and I came across the website where, where Kraft products puts all of their recipes.

[00:34:35] Trey Gerrald: Okay.

[00:34:35] Chelsey Donn: And there was a recipe for dreidel sandwiches.

[00:34:40] Trey Gerrald: What?

[00:34:41] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. Dreidel sandwiches, which is basically like white Wonder Bread ... with a slice of Kraft cheese on it. Like, not like h- not like a grilled cheese. Just, like, a slice of grilled cheese. So like a cheese sandwich. And on top of it, with cream cheese-

[00:34:57] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.

[00:34:57] Chelsey Donn: ... that has food coloring in it, we've written, like, a-

[00:35:01] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:35:01] Chelsey Donn: ... hey gimel. Guys, this looks so bad.

[00:35:06] Trey Gerrald: Is it like-

[00:35:07] Chelsey Donn: It looks disgusting.

[00:35:07] Trey Gerrald: ... in a cookie cutter?

[00:35:08] Chelsey Donn: It's not even in a cookie cutter. It's literally just like you took a san- like you made a sandwich and you cut the crust off. It's so nasty.

[00:35:16] Trey Gerrald: All right.

[00:35:16] Chelsey Donn: And so I'm sorry to say this, but not Jewish.

[00:35:19] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:35:19] Chelsey Donn: Anyway, [laughs], point is: I don't know what Jewish person is looking to make this for Hanukkah. This review is a one-star review from Graycat13, and it says, "This would be more appropriate in December, when Hanukkah is." So I'm guessing that maybe Kraft posted this during, like, the summer or something? I don't know.

[00:35:43] Trey Gerrald: Okay, so you are going to be strapped down on a dreidel as well. It's gonna be a pink dreidel that's made of wood.

[00:35:51] Chelsey Donn: Okay. Yes.

[00:35:51] Trey Gerrald: And which is the one that's like 'shit'? Shimmel?

[00:35:55] Chelsey Donn: Shimmel?

[00:35:56] Chelsey Donn: Shin?

[00:35:56] Trey Gerrald: Shin. And that means, like, "Oh, shit. I have to give you money." Right?

[00:35:58] Chelsey Donn: I think so. Okay, yeah.

[00:35:58] Trey Gerrald: Okay, so you're shin.

[00:35:59] Chelsey Donn: Oh, thanks. [laughs]. Well, that's because you've got to give me money.

[00:36:00] Trey Gerrald: Exactly.

[00:36:00] Chelsey Donn: 'It's on the dreidel.

[00:36:00] Trey Gerrald: No, I was gimel.

[00:36:00] Chelsey Donn: Oh, so I have to give you the money?

[00:36:00] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:36:00] Chelsey Donn: Whatever.

[00:36:00] Trey Gerrald: You did this to yourself.

[00:36:00] Chelsey Donn: Shin, put one in, right?

[00:36:01] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.

[00:36:07] Chelsey Donn: Okay. Anyway-

[00:36:16] Trey Gerrald: Okay.

[00:36:16] Chelsey Donn: ... I'm ready.

[00:36:17] VOICEOVER: Three, two, one. Go.

[00:36:20] VOICEOVER: Adult film.

[00:36:22] VOICEOVER: This would be more appropriate in December, when Hanukkah

[00:36:25] VOICEOVER: is.

[00:36:26] VOICEOVER: Game show.

[00:36:28] VOICEOVER: This would be more appropriate in December, when Hanukkah

[00:36:33] VOICEOVER: is.

[00:36:33] VOICEOVER: Musical theater.

[00:36:35] VOICEOVER: This would be more appropriate

[00:36:37] VOICEOVER: in December, when Hanukkah is.

[00:36:41] VOICEOVER: Pop star.

[00:36:41] VOICEOVER: Oh my god. This

[00:36:49] VOICEOVER: would be more appropriate in December, when Hanukkah is.

[00:36:49] VOICEOVER: TV reality show.

[00:36:49] VOICEOVER: This would be more appropriate in December, when Hanukkah is.

[00:36:51] VOICEOVER: Three, two, one.

[00:36:52] VOICEOVER: That's all.

[00:36:53] Trey Gerrald: All right, I'm gonna give you that. That was five.

[00:36:56] Chelsey Donn: All right, we tied a- we are on a tie train-

[00:37:00] Trey Gerrald: This keeps happening.

[00:37:01] Chelsey Donn: ... Trey. All right, we'll t- we'll both take our bow.

[00:37:05] Trey Gerrald:

[00:37:05] Patreon Teaser

[00:37:05] Trey Gerrald: Thank you, everyone-

[00:37:07] Chelsey Donn: Thank you. Thank you.

[00:37:08] Trey Gerrald: ... for enduring. And we are going today, for our Patreon exclusive, we are gonna do another round of Hanukkah-themed meryl-go-round dreidel style.

[00:37:15] Chelsey Donn: Yes, we just, we found too many great zingers.

[00:37:17] Trey Gerrald: So you gotta join.

[00:37:18] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, come on.

[00:37:19] Oil Cups Review

[00:37:19] VOICEOVER: Review that Review.

[00:37:25] Chelsey Donn: All right, Trey. We are back from that rousing Hanukkah-themed game break, and it is your turn now, Trey. Where is your review from this week?

[00:37:37] Trey Gerrald: Okay, everyone, I have a one-star review from, and this is written by Sweet Kate. With a K. Which makes me think of Taming of the Shrew.

[00:37:49] Chelsey Donn: Sweet Kate.

[00:37:50] Trey Gerrald: Get ready, 'cause you hate it.

[00:37:51] Chelsey Donn: Oh, no.

[00:37:52] Trey Gerrald: This is for pre-filled menorah oil cup candles, Hanukkah or lights, 100% olive oil with cotton wick in glass cup-

[00:38:02] Chelsey Donn: Oh my god.

[00:38:02] Trey Gerrald: ... medium sized, 44 per pack. Burns approximately two and a half hours.

[00:38:07] Chelsey Donn: Oh, wow. So, it's, it's Hanukkah oil?

[00:38:10] Trey Gerrald: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. So this is basically, like, little teeny tiny little oil pots-

[00:38:15] Chelsey Donn: Sure.

[00:38:16] Trey Gerrald: ... that have a little bottom that stick into, like, the candle area of a menorah.

[00:38:20] Chelsey Donn: Sure. And then you just, like, squeeze it, squeeze the oil in?

[00:38:24] Trey Gerrald: Well, let me tell you the review.

[00:38:25] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:38:26] Trey Gerrald: So Sweet Kate's subject is: "Eight messy nights".

[00:38:33] Chelsey Donn: Okay. [laughs].

[00:38:34] Trey Gerrald: Okay. And this is Sweet Kate's one-star review. " We have used oil lights for several years now, and have loved them, but this year it was a bad experience. I ordered this brand by mistake, but assumed that it would be fine. NOT! For each light, you have to pull a rubber plug, and some of the oil splashes out. Then, you have to thread a wick through a metal tube and insert it to the top. Since the wicks sit loosely in the tube, they don't stand up straight, and are hard to light. Some of the wicks slide down into the oil, so that the flame goes out completely. Others burn with only a little glow at a top, never developing a true flame before fizzling out."

[00:39:34] Trey Gerrald: " We had to use tweezers to pull the wicks back up and relight them. Even the ones that manage to stay lit go out while there's still a lot of oil in the vial. We never once managed to have all the flames burning correctly at the same time. Also, you can't use the the shamash for lighting because if you tip the cup even a tiny bit, oil spills out. A little drippy candle is provided to take fire from the shamash to each light. Don't even think of letting a child attempt to light this menorah."

[00:40:14] Trey Gerrald: Also, don't place it on any surface that will be damaged by oil, because no matter how careful you are, you will have oil drips and puddles. We use oil lamps for the beauty of the oil flame, the ease of use, the lack of drips and mess that candles cause and, most importantly, to enjoy the mitzvah of relaxing and watching the lamps burn. Sadly, this set of lamps failed on all accounts. We had none of these problems with other brands we have used."

[00:40:53] Chelsey Donn: Oh.

[00:40:55] Trey Gerrald: So stressful, right?

[00:40:57] Chelsey Donn: Very, feel, I feel very stressed for Sweet Kate. This was not a day for Sweet Kate to be sweet. Sweet Kate was feeling very salty.

[00:41:04] Trey Gerrald: Eight days. Eight days.

[00:41:06] Chelsey Donn: Eight days of Salty Kate.

[00:41:08] Trey Gerrald: Wait, question.

[00:41:09] Chelsey Donn: Yeah?

[00:41:09] Trey Gerrald: Let me ask you a l- religionimate question.

[00:41:11] Chelsey Donn: Sure.

[00:41:11] Trey Gerrald: When you have a menorah, do you set it on top of aluminum foil or a paper plate or something?

[00:41:17] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:41:18] Trey Gerrald: Yes, right?

[00:41:19] Chelsey Donn: Yes. I always put foil underneath. Well, I use regular candles-

[00:41:24] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, us too.

[00:41:25] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, and then they drip, so yeah, I put foil underneath.

[00:41:28] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, I would never-

[00:41:30] Chelsey Donn: Go rouge.

[00:41:30] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, I mean you would assume with these little oil cubs that, like, nothing is gonna spill-

[00:41:34] Chelsey Donn: Well, I think that's the point is like- Sweet Kate-

[00:41:37] Trey Gerrald: Right.

[00:41:37] Chelsey Donn: ... religiously uses the oil variety because she doesn't want to have to deal with, like, when you have the candles and they drip down, they get on the menorah, you gotta clean the wax off the menorah-

[00:41:48] Trey Gerrald: Exactly.

[00:41:48] Chelsey Donn: There's, there's just like a lot to negotiate with the candles. So I understand the impulse for wanting to be it's, like, a more meditative, beautiful moment if I don't have to worry about-

[00:42:00] Trey Gerrald: Right.

[00:42:00] Chelsey Donn: ... cleaning the wax later, and I can just watch these flames. This seems traumatic for Sweet Kate. Like, the Maccabees, whatever, they could get it to go for eight full days. She couldn't even get these, [laughs] candles, or, uh, this oil to light for, it sounds like, a couple of minutes. I, it sounds like it was a full-time job.

[00:42:22] Trey Gerrald: Now it does occur to me that Sweet Kate is being truthful.

[00:42:25] Chelsey Donn: Yes, for sure.

[00:42:27] Trey Gerrald: It really, it really just does. And it seems to me that the major flaw of this product is that you have to thread the wick.

[00:42:33] Chelsey Donn: That's crazy to me.

[00:42:34] Trey Gerrald: That seems to be the major flaw.

[00:42:36] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:42:37] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. And it seems like it would just be splashy. Like, you just, like, you would have oil-

[00:42:42] Chelsey Donn: It seems very dangerous. I don't wanna have to, like, negotiate that much with these pods. When you were first describing it... little tangent, I just want a new printer that has these things. Instead of getting the-

[00:42:53] Trey Gerrald: Oh, mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:42:53] Chelsey Donn: ... things, you, like, release the-

[00:42:56] Trey Gerrald: Ink-

[00:42:56] Chelsey Donn: ... liquid ink directly into the printer. It's amazing. And I was really worried about it when I first got it, 'cause I was like, "This is gonna be a terrible mess." But the way that they designed it, it's great. Like, I never have any drippage. I just stick the thing right in there. It's goo- so that's what I was thinking this was. I thought this was, like, genius. Little pods, I just stick it upside down into whatever the container is, squeeze it or don't even squeeze it, and gravity just sort of takes it into the-

[00:43:23] Trey Gerrald: Well, right-

[00:43:24] Chelsey Donn: ... pod. Like, where, wherever it's-

[00:43:26] Trey Gerrald: It literally looks like a capital Y.

[00:43:28] Chelsey Donn: It looks like a capital... The thing looks like a capital Y?

[00:43:32] Trey Gerrald: The little individual oil pods.

[00:43:33] Chelsey Donn: Oh, weird.

[00:43:34] Trey Gerrald: They have, like a little... The V of the Y is the oil.

[00:43:38] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:43:39] Trey Gerrald: And it is built with a little leg-

[00:43:41] Chelsey Donn: Oh.

[00:43:41] Trey Gerrald: ... and that's what you stick into the candle hole.

[00:43:43] Chelsey Donn: I see. Okay, okay. Okay. So-

[00:43:45] Trey Gerrald: It makes me wonder if there are specific menorahs for oil burning rather than candles, 'cause this seems to be a retrofit that you put these oil pots into candle menorahs.

[00:43:56] Chelsey Donn: Oh, that's interesting. I did have that thought as you were reading it. Like, Do we think that this was a product that was meant for something specific that Kate didn't have? Like, do you think everybody's gotta thread the wick, and everybody has to go through this whole song and dance with this product? Or is there a complimentary product to these oil pods?

[00:44:19] Trey Gerrald: No, I, I think... In my estimation, from the images, it is designed like a letter Y-

[00:44:25] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:44:26] Trey Gerrald: ... to fit, uh, menorah in, in, place of a candle.

[00:44:29] Chelsey Donn: Okay. It just seemed like if Sweet Kate wanted to impart us with anything, which I believe they did, there... They seem to be somewhat of an expert. Like, they do this all time with the oil.

[00:44:39] Trey Gerrald: Right. Every shabbat.

[00:44:41] Chelsey Donn: E- yeah. They c- they're always using these oil. That's what they do all the time. They brought the wrong product. So I trust them.

[00:44:47] Trey Gerrald: It seems to me that Kate is pointing out that the superior brand they had purchased prior-

[00:44:52] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:44:53] Trey Gerrald: ... didn't have the rubber stopper that you have to pull out-

[00:44:56] Chelsey Donn: Exactly.

[00:44:56] Trey Gerrald: ... to thread the... Like, that it just came already set up.

[00:44:59] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, I mean if anything. Like, they really pointed out exactly what was wrong with the product, which I believe that they only know because they brought other products-

[00:45:09] Trey Gerrald: Correct.

[00:45:09] Chelsey Donn: ... and to me it adds to Sweet Kate's credibility, because they're not pimping another product. You know?

[00:45:17] Trey Gerrald: Right.

[00:45:18] Chelsey Donn: They're like, "I bought the wrong one, if you want..." they're, they're not saying, "If you want the right one, go to such and such-"

[00:45:24] Trey Gerrald: Correct.

[00:45:24] Chelsey Donn: They're just saying, "I thought I was buying something different. I ended up buying this. This is what you can expect."

[00:45:30] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, I believe Sweet Kate has read more than two picture books.

[00:45:38] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. Yeah.

[00:45:38] Trey Gerrald: [laughs].

[00:45:38] Chelsey Donn: I do believe-

[00:45:38] Trey Gerrald: Um. I do wanna say, the spelling and grammar here is pretty flawless.

[00:45:41] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:45:41] Trey Gerrald: There is one mistake where they say, "It never develops a true flame," period. Lower case, "before fizzling out."

[00:45:48] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:45:49] Trey Gerrald: A random letter they didn't catch. And I also love that they say, "The ease of use, the lack of drips and mess that candles cause, and," dash dash, "most importantly.

[00:46:00] Chelsey Donn: Dash. Dash.

[00:46:01] Trey Gerrald: Dash. Dash.

[00:46:02] Chelsey Donn: That's nice.

[00:46:02] Trey Gerrald: I thought that was such a, like, it really stands out-

[00:46:04] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:46:04] Trey Gerrald: ... when you read it.

[00:46:05] Chelsey Donn: I think it has a heavy impact.

[00:46:07] Trey Gerrald: I do, too. It really does make me think I need to search for a, a product that is already gonna have the wicks done for me.

[00:46:14] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. And I don't think that this was humorous at all, but I feel like, to Sweet Kate's defense, this wasn't funny-

[00:46:21] Trey Gerrald: Correct.

[00:46:21] Chelsey Donn: ... for Sweet Kate.

[00:46:22] Trey Gerrald: I feel like Sweet Kate has done a mitzvah for us, by telling us not to get this.

[00:46:26] Chelsey Donn: I agree. I think that Sweet Kate went into writing this review, knowing she was gonna do a mitzvah for other people that were, were looking for the proper oil to buy.

[00:46:36] Trey Gerrald: And it's summed up in the subject, too. It's just like, this is too much tsuris. Like, it's just too messy.

[00:46:42] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:46:42] Trey Gerrald: You know?

[00:46:43] Chelsey Donn: It seems like a headache that I don't, I don't, like, I don't wanna get involved, and I'm really happy that Sweet Kate let me know.

[00:46:50] Trey Gerrald: All right. I think I can crown this. Is there anything else we need to dissect?

[00:46:54] Chelsey Donn: Um. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

[00:47:01] Trey Gerrald: Did you die?

[00:47:04] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. I'm still, I'm still here. I'm still-

[00:47:06] Trey Gerrald: You just, like, lowered your head. I was like, "What?"

[00:47:08] Chelsey Donn: Did you die? No, I think I'm good. I just took notes and I wanted to make sure that I didn't, that I didn't miss anything, but I don't think that I did. Oh, that they didn't stand up straight, but we don't need to talk about that.

[00:47:20] Trey Gerrald: God, can you imagine how terrifying-

[00:47:22] Chelsey Donn: I just thought, like, how dangerous. Like, when it... Like, I get very stressed when I'm lighting the candles and it, like, kind of starts to tilt-

[00:47:28] Trey Gerrald: Yes.

[00:47:28] Chelsey Donn: You're like, "What's gonna happen?"

[00:47:29] Trey Gerrald: Which is another reason why I feel like I want an aluminum foil underneath.

[00:47:34] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:47:35] Trey Gerrald: ... in case a candle falls. 'Cause that's another thing, like, if this is just a wick inside of oil, can you even blow that out?

[00:47:41] Chelsey Donn: Probably not as easily as you can regu- I don't know. Yeah, you probably have to snuff that out or something.

[00:47:46] Trey Gerrald: Right.

[00:47:47] Chelsey Donn: This seems dangerous.

[00:47:49] Trey Gerrald: If the wicks are dangling and, like, uh, leaning onto each other, then you're gonna have this huge super flame.

[00:47:55] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:47:56] Trey Gerrald: What about the shamash? Not being able to use that? What do you think of that?

[00:47:59] Chelsey Donn: I just, like, I really... the only thing I'm left wondering, 'cause I'm not the kind of person that uses oil, is how does the shamash traditionally work when you're using an oil, you know, apparatus?

[00:48:12] Trey Gerrald: I guess you just use that one-

[00:48:14] Chelsey Donn: You just-

[00:48:14] Trey Gerrald: ... which, Sweet Kate says, like, you can't tip these.

[00:48:17] Chelsey Donn: You can't tip these because they're more, like, open, and if you tipped it would, all the oil would come out.

[00:48:23] Trey Gerrald: Which also makes me think, like, if you have to use their little drippy candle that they provide to take the fire from each one, then you're already, like, that's sacrilegious in a way.

[00:48:33] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. Well, they're, they're forcing you to not use the shamash to light the other candles. And also, like, now we're getting a drippy candle involved when the whole point of buying this product was to not have to negotiate with the drippy candle.

[00:48:47] Trey Gerrald: I think we need to get the Talmud out ... because, you know, this could be interpreted. Because maybe if the original flame is on the shamash, but you take a, something that's not one of the others-

[00:48:56] Chelsey Donn: And you light it from the-

[00:48:57] Trey Gerrald: To take that flame-

[00:48:58] Chelsey Donn: ... shamash to the... Maybe. I- i- it just seems like, in this case it was-

[00:49:02] Trey Gerrald: It's too much.

[00:49:03] Chelsey Donn: ... an error. You know.

[00:49:05] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. This is, this is, this just-

[00:49:06] Chelsey Donn: This is just like way too much work. Sounds like a nightmare.

[00:49:09] Trey Gerrald: What a nightmare. All right.

[00:49:11] Chelsey Donn: Let's crown it.

[00:49:13] VOICEOVER: The Queens are Tabulating.

[00:49:16] Chelsey Donn: Okay.

[00:49:17] Trey Gerrald: Ready?

[00:49:17] Chelsey Donn: Yes.

[00:49:22] VOICEOVER: Total score-

[00:49:22] Trey Gerrald: Ah!

[00:49:23] Chelsey Donn: Oh my god.

[00:49:25] Trey Gerrald: Another tie!

[00:49:25] Chelsey Donn: Unanimous, again. Four crowns. Four crowns.

[00:49:27] Trey Gerrald: All right. Tell me why you did four, my friend.

[00:49:30] Chelsey Donn: I loved everything about this review. I thought it was really informative, and I thought that it broke down why this product is a no-go. I took off a crown for humor. I didn't really. I wasn't, like, bowled over or anything like that, which, as you know, to be a full queen, I, I need to be quite entertained. So for entertainment, I took off a crown and we had a little grammar issue. So that was impacted in that loss as well. But other than that, pretty queen-y, in my opinion. How about you, Trey?

[00:49:58] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, I... Literally, everything you just said. I do have a feeling that I would want Sweet Kate as a friend, because they really sort of speak from a place of experience-

[00:50:07] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:50:07] Trey Gerrald: ... rather than being, like, patronizing or an- like, I, I don't feel that that they're angry. I feel like they're disappointed. That resonates really deeply, and honestly the impact here. I mean, four people found this helpful, but the impact for me is like, I'm not gonna try this. I need to find a better brand. Now I have, I'm armed with more information-

[00:50:25] Chelsey Donn: Right.

[00:50:25] Trey Gerrald: ... of what I need the product to provide me. And same, I just, I took one crown off 'cause it isn't funny. Not that I think it warrants being funny-

[00:50:34] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:50:35] Trey Gerrald: ... but I think Sweet Kate's pretty queenly, though.

[00:50:37] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:50:37] Trey Gerrald: I mean, this is a high four.

[00:50:39] Chelsey Donn: I also think as you were talking about Sweet Kate, I was thinking, Sweet Kate's really smart 'cause she's inserted psychology-

[00:50:45] Trey Gerrald: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:50:46] Chelsey Donn: ... into her review name. By naming herself, 'Sweet Kate', we're automatically gonna assume, even when she writes a bad review, that this is just Kate being real. Ordinarily, Kate is very sweet. So, I mean it worked on me, Sweet Kate.

[00:51:04] Trey Gerrald: It's much better than, um, La Coccinelle.

[00:51:07] Chelsey Donn: It is. Good job, Trey.

[00:51:09] Trey Gerrald: You know, this whole, whole holiday is about light.

[00:51:13] Chelsey Donn: It's true.

[00:51:14] Trey Gerrald: Light. Your light within, your light of God. Don't mess up the light.

[00:51:18] Chelsey Donn: Don't-

[00:51:18] Trey Gerrald: That's just wrong.

[00:51:18] Chelsey Donn: ... mess with the light. That's true.

[00:51:20] My Royal Highness

[00:51:20] Trey Gerrald: All right, my queen. We have reached the most regal portion of our show. Chelsey, who are you inducting for?

[00:51:28] VOICEOVER: My Royal Highness.

[00:51:30] Chelsey Donn: I'm giving My Royal Highness today to succulents. I mean, guys-

[00:51:34] Trey Gerrald: Oh.

[00:51:34] Chelsey Donn: ... let's give it up for the succulents. Not only are they beautiful, in my opinion, but they're nearly indestructible.

[00:51:44] Trey Gerrald: Yes.

[00:51:44] Chelsey Donn: I mean, they are just fierce. I went on a vacation, and I came back, and those puppies were still alive, and they were definitely thirsty, and I came and I watered them. But they are resilient, the succulents. They're also a great Hanukkah gift. I mean, you can't go wrong by giving someone a nice succulent arrangement. Male, female-

[00:52:08] Trey Gerrald: Mm-hmm [affirmative].

[00:52:08] Chelsey Donn: ... nonbinary. I think everybody loves a succulent. And they're also, like, the jade plant, which is apparently very lucky. Especially if, like, you're, like, a homeowner. Brings, like, prosperity to your space. And, and having a jade plant on your desk is also lucky.

[00:52:24] Trey Gerrald: Wow.

[00:52:24] Chelsey Donn: So, you know, good juju, and they're really the only plants that I can keep alive. So for all of those amazing qualities, succulents, if you're there, if you're listening, you are My Royal Highness.

[00:52:42] Trey Gerrald: I concur. I mean the lack of neediness from a succulent.

[00:52:46] Chelsey Donn: Ugh. So nice.

[00:52:47] Trey Gerrald: Mwah. Chef's kiss.

[00:52:48] Chelsey Donn: If only I can find a guy that could be my... Okay, that t-

[00:52:51] Trey Gerrald: You will.

[00:52:53] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. If I ever... Yes.

[00:52:53] Trey Gerrald: I bet his name would be Lenny.

[00:52:55] Chelsey Donn: You bet... Oh, that's interesting. We'll talk about that later.

[00:52:57] Trey Gerrald: Well, succulent. Lent. Len- Lenny.

[00:52:58] Chelsey Donn: Oh, Lenny. Okay, I like that. Good one.

[00:53:00] Trey Gerrald: I've never, I've never heard of a man named Sucky.

[00:53:03] Chelsey Donn: [laughs].

[00:53:05] Trey Gerrald: [laughs].

[00:53:05] Chelsey Donn: Well, that's why after, I was like, "I hope I can find a man like a succulent." And then I'm like, "That, oh." I don't know. Anyway, Trey, tell us who is your Royal Highness this week?

[00:53:16] Trey Gerrald: Okay, so today I am inducting a very specific product from Costco. It is peanut butter pretzels.

[00:53:23] Chelsey Donn: Ugh. Lovely.

[00:53:24] Trey Gerrald: From Costco specifically.

[00:53:26] Chelsey Donn: Mmm. So good.

[00:53:27] Trey Gerrald: Okay. I accidentally purchased them. David was like, "What is this?" It's so good. We went a couple of weeks where we didn't go to Costco, I found a different version at CVS. Not nearly as superior. Like, the taste was totally different. So these are peanut butter-filled pretzels, and the Costco version explicitly says on the container, "Virginia peanut butter."

[00:53:51] Chelsey Donn: Oh, those are the bigger peanuts, right?

[00:53:53] Trey Gerrald: I, I don't know-

[00:53:54] Chelsey Donn: I think they're bigger.

[00:53:54] Trey Gerrald: ... what the difference is. but oh my god, they are... I mean, peanut butter is, like, something that, like, you know you can really over indulge in.

[00:54:03] Chelsey Donn: Sure.

[00:54:03] Trey Gerrald: 'Cause it, it is sort of like, um, once you pop, the fun don't stop-

[00:54:07] Chelsey Donn: Sure, sure.

[00:54:07] Trey Gerrald: ... Pringles. And I love pretzels. So, like, I have to buy two of them at once, because David and I love them so much. And we made the mistake-

[00:54:17] Chelsey Donn: Oh no.

[00:54:18] Trey Gerrald: Actually, I'm gonna, I'm blaming it on David.

[00:54:20] Chelsey Donn: Okay. [laughs].

[00:54:21] Trey Gerrald: David made the mistake to feed one to Winnie and Hunter. And they also think they're so good.

[00:54:25] Chelsey Donn: Of course they do.

[00:54:26] Trey Gerrald: And so, I can't even bring the container... I was gonna stage the container so that I could hold it up and show you, specifically, and I can't because she-

[00:54:34] Chelsey Donn: Because the dogs will go nuts?

[00:54:35] Trey Gerrald: If Winnie hears... It's like the Pepto-Bismol jingle jangle-

[00:54:40] Chelsey Donn: Oh my god.

[00:54:41] Trey Gerrald: She will wake up from her sleep right now and run over here and beg me. They're so good. That's why I'm inducting you. Costco-brand peanut butter pretzels. Virginia peanut butter, you are My Royal Highness. I just love eatin' ya.

[00:54:57] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. And apparently the dogs concur. All right, we did it.

[00:55:01] Trey Gerrald: We have done it. This is another round, another night on our RU a RQ menorah.

[00:55:08] Chelsey Donn: Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, will you do us a favor, a Hanukkah favor, and as a gift to the queens, share this podcast with all of your friends? Tell them that you love it and that they should be listening. Or listen to it with them. How about that? That's cool.

[00:55:26] Trey Gerrald: This is your chance to be a Christmas mama-

[00:55:28] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:55:29] Trey Gerrald: ... or a Hanukkah daddy.

[00:55:30] Chelsey Donn: That's true. This is-

[00:55:31] Trey Gerrald: And tell your friends.

[00:55:32] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. Come on.

[00:55:33] Trey Gerrald: Especially if you didn't like what you heard. Tell those enemies. Come on, Hanukkah daddy.

[00:55:38] Chelsey Donn: Come on, daddy.

[00:55:39] Trey Gerrald: If you want to, um, join our Queendom, which I don't know why you wouldn't want to-

[00:55:44] Chelsey Donn: [laughs].

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[00:55:59] Chelsey Donn: She's really good, you guys. Just sayin'.

[00:56:01] Trey Gerrald: Um. So make sure you are joined. You can do that from our show notes below or going to our website,, and scrolling all the way to the bottom. You'll see where it says to subscribe to the mailing list.

[00:56:12] Chelsey Donn: And don't forget, we wanna hear from you guys. Hit up our voice mailbox, lodge your complaints, nominate your royal highnesses, read your reviews. We wanna hear 'em. We will break 'em down, live here on the show. So give us a call. 1-850-review-0. You can also follow us on all of the socials @theReviewQueens. I'm @ChelseyBD.

[00:56:35] Trey Gerrald: And I'm @TreyGerrald. You guys join our Royal Court. You can do that when you join our Patreon. We have three amazing tiers. And you should just do it. Right now. Whatever, you're doing, if you're driving, pull over. Go to your little, you know, internet app on your phone. Go to

[00:56:52] Chelsey Donn: Yes. Do it. And remember, ignore the haters. You're a queen.

[00:56:53] Trey Gerrald: Gender non-specific queen.

[00:56:53] Chelsey Donn: Bye.

[00:56:53] Trey Gerrald: Bye.

Review That Review is an independent podcast. Certain names have been redacted or changed to protect the guilty. Executive produced by Trey Gerrald and Chelsey Donn with editing and sound designed by me with voiceover talents by Eva Kaminsky. Our cover art was designed by LogoVora and our theme song was written by Joe Kinosian and sung by Natalie Weiss.

[00:57:24] Chelsey Donn: Yay.

[00:57:27] VOICEOVER: [singing] I have a little dreidel, I made it out of clay. And when it's dry and ready, with dreidel I shall play.

[00:57:31] Chelsey Donn: Oh my god.

[00:57:32] Trey Gerrald: That's Shoshana Bean.

[00:57:33] Chelsey Donn: Love. Love her. What was that show that she did that she was the lead of? Like, she was, like, poor. Ra- not Rags. I loved it. Now I can't even remember what it's called.

[00:57:44] Trey Gerrald: Wicked?

[00:57:45] Chelsey Donn: Not Wicked. She was like the lead of this one. Anyway, maybe it wasn't her.

[00:57:51] Chelsey Donn: Guys-

[00:57:51] Chelsey Donn: Um.