Review That Review with Chelsey Donn & Trey Gerrald
Episode 26: "Hanukkah Special!"
THEME SONG: [00:00:00] Everybody's got an opinion.
Every Californian and Virginian.
It's so hard to tell who to trust and who to ignore.
Someone's gotta settle the score.
Trey and Chelsey will help you choose!
Whose views win, which ones lose.
Online haters are comin' for you!
Baby, it's time to Review That Review!
[00:00:31] Chelsey Donn: Hi.
[00:00:32] Trey Gerrald: Hi. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Review That Review. The podcast dedicated to reviewing-
[00:00:38] Chelsey Donn: Reviews. That's right. We're just like Siskel & Ebert, only instead of reviewing cinematic masterpieces, we rate and review those hilarious, scathing, and sometimes suspicious online reviews.
[00:00:50] Trey Gerrald: That's Chelsey Donn.
[00:00:52] Chelsey Donn: And that's Trey Gerrald.
[00:00:53] Trey Gerrald: And together we are-
[00:00:55] VOICEOVER: The Review Queens.
[00:00:59] Trey Gerrald: But today, is not just any ordinary day. And today we are not just the Review Queens. Today, we are also Dreidel Queens, because it is Hanukkah.
[00:01:11] VOICEOVER: I have a little dreidel. I made it out of clay. And when it's dry and ready, with dreidel I shall play!
[00:01:16] Trey Gerrald: Yay.
[00:01:19] Chelsey Donn: Yay. Gimel, gimel, gimel.
[00:01:23] Trey Gerrald: Chai, chai, chai. No, hey, hey, hey! And tonight, the night that this episode is airing, it is our fourth night of Hanukkah. Chelsey, how's your Hanukkah week going?
[00:01:33] Chelsey Donn: Hanukkah week is great. Um, I mean as you would imagine, there's so much extra light, uh, around to access. Eight days worth of light. So it's good.
[00:01:43] Lodge A Complaint
[00:01:43] Chelsey Donn: And in the spirit of lightness, I just feel like I need to go right into my complaint, if that's okay?
[00:01:44] Trey Gerrald: Yes. Yes, take the floor. Tell us what, what just happened to you over the weekend.
[00:01:44] Chelsey Donn: I want to talk about traveling around the holidays in general, guys. I wanna, I wanna tal- I wanna have this conversation, my queens. So it always is bad traveling around the holiday. Like it just, it feels like it's never easy. I don't know if it's a universal thing. We're constantly being told Mercury is in retrograde and such, but it just feels like around this time specifically, the travel gods, they're angry. There's a lot of people trying to travel at the same time. And things just constantly go wrong. And I went to Colorado over the weekend thinking I'll have a nice weekend. We were delayed five hours going there.
[00:02:36] Trey Gerrald: Ahhh. [laughs].
[00:02:37] Chelsey Donn: I feel like three hours of which were on the plane. I was flying with Goldie, nightmare.
[00:02:43] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.
[00:02:43] Chelsey Donn: And then on the way back, we had to do an emergency landing, which is like never something you wanna hear.
[00:02:49] Trey Gerrald: Mm-mmm [negative].
[00:02:50] Chelsey Donn: See, it doesn't really roll of the tongue. It's not a great thing. It, it's very fear-inducing. So we had to do an emergency landing. I was flying in and out of Burbank for the first time ever. Didn't have such a great experience. No offense to the people that love-
[00:03:03] Trey Gerrald: Bob Hope.
[00:03:03] Chelsey Donn: ... Bob Hope. Okay? I'm not-
[00:03:05] Trey Gerrald: Wait, how far is the flight from Colorado-
[00:03:08] Chelsey Donn: It's not even that far. It's like two and a half hours. It's, it should've been a little nothing. But I was supposed to get into Colorado and have a full day on Friday, and that was completely robbed.
[00:03:18] Trey Gerrald: Ugh.
[00:03:19] Chelsey Donn: And then when we were traveling back... Yeah, emergency landing but at LAX.
[00:03:24] Trey Gerrald: Really?
[00:03:24] Chelsey Donn: Not at Burbank. Yeah, so we got on the ground, they were like, "Hey, guys. Uh, yeah, we're just, we, we are, we had to land at LAX, and we're gonna let you know what's gonna happen in a minute." And we're like, "What's gonna happen? I'm, like, down the street from here."
[00:03:38] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.
[00:03:38] Chelsey Donn: "Just let me off the freakin' plane and give me my bags. Like, what, like, what do you need to figure out here?" and they came back on the, the intercom thing-y. And he was, like, "So, we're just gonna fuel up here in Los Angeles at LAX and then we're gonna take off again and go to Burbank." And you're like, "Why do you need to fuel up to go, like, 20 miles? I could drive to Burbank in a shorter amount of time than it would take us to fly there at this point." I ended up getting off the plane 'cause I was like, "Let me off the plane, I wanna-"
[00:04:08] Trey Gerrald: So they did, they let you off?
[00:04:10] Chelsey Donn: They did, but then I needed to deal with, like, the recon from my checked bag, which was a little annoying. And I just had to come back to the airport later, but in a way it was worth it 'cause I just could not-
[00:04:21] Trey Gerrald: No, no.
[00:04:22] Chelsey Donn: ... spend another second on the plane. I had to get off. Goldie wanted to get off. It was time.
[00:04:27] Trey Gerrald: I just looked. Anyone that's not familiar with the map of, California, it's a 22-mile difference between Burbank and LAX.
[00:04:36] Chelsey Donn: Not happy about it.
[00:04:38] Trey Gerrald: That's crazy.
[00:04:39] Chelsey Donn: Who am I complaining to or at? I don't know.
[00:04:43] Trey Gerrald: [laughs].
[00:04:43] VOICEOVER: Lodge A Complaint!
[00:04:44] Trey Gerrald: That is terrible.
[00:04:46] Chelsey Donn: Lengthy complaint lodge. And honestly, at the end of the day, I don't know who to blame. Nothing, nothing is making sense anymore, you guys.
[00:04:53] Trey Gerrald: All right, well I hear, I hear that complaint. There is nothing more frustrating than when you have a set plan and the plan does not get executed correctly for reasons outside of your control. I, that's like such a, um, terrible feeling.
[00:05:09] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. And even karmically, I think you feel like if I had to deal with a delay on the way out, like I'm owed a no delay on the way home, you know?
[00:05:17] Trey Gerrald: Oh, for sure.
[00:05:18] Chelsey Donn: The double, the double whammy was, was really, really made it that much harder to deal with. Anyway, so Trey. I mean, I just, I launched into that without even asking you what-
[00:05:28] Trey Gerrald: [laughs]. No, it's like I understand. That seems very frustrating.
[00:05:31] Chelsey Donn: I just had, I could, I couldn't contain myself. So I wanna, like, take a step back. How was your week? Did you have a good week? I hope. I missed you a lot. And-
[00:05:47] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.
[00:05:47] Chelsey Donn: ... have you been, like, percolating about something you wanted to complain about? What's going on?
[00:05:47] Trey Gerrald: I've had a good week. You know, because I was raised Christian but I married a Jewish person, I do celebrate both holidays. And so, you know, traditionally we will see David's family. Uh, his parents for the first few nights of Hanukkah. So it's just a joyous season of gifts, but I do have something I need to complain about.
[00:06:05] Chelsey Donn: Okay, let's hear it.
[00:06:07] VOICEOVER: Lodge A Complaint.
[00:06:08] Trey Gerrald: Okay, so, you know, I was born in the mid-'80s.
[00:06:13] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:06:13] Trey Gerrald: And there was a very specific fashion to the mid-'80s, and I grew up in the '90s-
[00:06:19] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:06:19] Trey Gerrald: ... and the early 2000s. Both of which have very distinctive styles.
[00:06:23] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:06:24] Trey Gerrald: So, you know, I was in my 20s in the 2010s, now that we're in the 2020s-
[00:06:31] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:06:31] Trey Gerrald: ... I'm in my 30s.
[00:06:32] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:06:33] Trey Gerrald: And I am not of that age where I don't understand TikTok. I have no interest.
[00:06:38] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:06:39] Trey Gerrald: And it has come to my attention that me wearing skinny-ish tight jeans makes me an old person.
[00:06:47] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:06:48] Trey Gerrald: So I'm suddenly in this experience of, "Oh my god, this is the new version of mom jeans."
[00:06:55] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:06:56] Trey Gerrald: The fact, like, young people look at me in my... And I can't even wear skinny jeans becau- just because my, um, I have really ginormous calves, not because of anything I've done, just genetically.
[00:07:06] Chelsey Donn: Sure.
[00:07:07] Trey Gerrald: But I do wear slim jeans.
[00:07:09] Chelsey Donn: Sure.
[00:07:10] Trey Gerrald: And I, I have to, like, now wear baggy jeans.
[00:07:13] Chelsey Donn: No.
[00:07:13] Trey Gerrald: Like, what we wore in the '80s or '90s. Like, I'm just lodging a complaint against fashion trends that are connected to ageism, because I feel like I'm an old person because I don't wanna change my jeans. And I guess that is part of the whole cyclical circle of life where you just stop caring what little teenagers think of you, um, and you just are an old person with white tennis shoes from, like, Shoe Carnival. And, uh, you just wear skinny jeans. So I'm lodging a complaint against fashion trends. Why did, why did we have to change so much? And why are things from the '80s cool now? Like, why are teenagers wearing acid wash jeans. Like, it's so weird.
[00:07:54] Chelsey Donn: Because Tre- first of all, first of all, Trey, I feel this on such a personal level, okay?
[00:08:00] Trey Gerrald: Oh good.
[00:08:00] Chelsey Donn: I refuse to wear anything but a skinny jean. I feel you. I agree. I was told that we're not allowed to do the, like, hair swoop-y thing over. Like, if you have like more of a side part and you're wearing skinny jeans, that that is like a sure-fire sign of 'you're old' or something. And you're right- because at the end of the day, I don't care. I don't care. I'm always gonna swoop my hair. Like, pull my hair back. I don't like a center part. I'm just, you know, that's who I am, and I'm okay with it. And if that makes me old-
[00:08:36] Trey Gerrald: Then we can be old together.
[00:08:38] Chelsey Donn: At least we're old together, you know?
[00:08:40] Trey Gerrald: Oy gevalt. It's just, like, get out of here with that.
[00:08:43] Chelsey Donn: I know.
[00:08:43] Trey Gerrald: Anyway-
[00:08:44] Chelsey Donn: That's true. That is something that's come up quite a bit.
[00:08:47] Trey Gerrald: I wanna take these, um, travel and age issues-
[00:08:51] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:08:51] Trey Gerrald: And I wanna put them in maybe an oil burner and fry them into a light, a golden light-
[00:08:59] Chelsey Donn: Ooooh.
[00:08:59] Trey Gerrald: ... so that you and I can jump into some online reviews that are in the theme of Hanukkah.
[00:09:05] Chelsey Donn: I'm very about it. As you know, we are your trusty Review Queens. We each bring in a review from the internet that we feel needs to be inspected.
[00:09:13] Trey Gerrald: We read you the review. We break it down and rate the impact of the review on a scale from one to five crowns. It's very regal process that we have coined called-
[00:09:23] VOICEOVER: Assess that Kvetch.
[00:09:24] Chelsey Donn: And in honor of Hanukkah today, Trey and I are centering our reviews around this very holiday.
[00:09:32] Trey Gerrald: And Chelsey, my girl, you're first today.
[00:09:35] Chelsey Donn: I am. Yay.
[00:09:37] Trey Gerrald: Take it away RQ, Hanukkah you.
[00:09:40] Chelsey Donn: Aw, Hanukkah you, RQ.
[00:09:45] VOICEOVER: Review That Review.
[00:09:49] Chelsey Donn: First off, before I even start, if you're watching this on Patreon right now, you get to see how gorgeous and blue we both look.
[00:09:52] Trey Gerrald: Yes.
[00:09:52] Chelsey Donn: The light behind Trey is stunning. I wanted to talk about it before, but Trey wouldn't let me, and I was like-
[00:09:52] Trey Gerrald: [laughs]. I shushed her before we started recording. I shushed her-
[00:09:52] Chelsey Donn: I was eager, 'cause like guys, how gorgeous is this blue light happening behind Trey? And, I mean, I think for the first time in the past three recordings-
[00:10:15] Trey Gerrald: It's looking good.
[00:10:16] Chelsey Donn: ... I've gotten it right.
[00:10:16] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.
[00:10:16] Chelsey Donn: I got extra lights, and I, I'm actually, you can see me. It's a very exciting day here at Review That Review.
[00:10:23] Trey Gerrald: I like that it's dreidels, and gelt, and Stars of David and menorahs. You've got it all covered.
[00:10:24] Chelsey Donn: I really... thank you. I was eager to get it all in there. All right, I have a review. Now you guys know I love to give myself a challenge, and I always pick a name that I can't pronounce, so here we go. This review is written by La Coccinelle. I'm a have to spell it. L-A space C-O-C-C-I-N-E-L-L-E. What do you think that is, Trey? [laughs].
[00:10:59] Trey Gerrald: Oh, that's an... I, I instantly get lost if there's two consonants next to each other, so.
[00:11:06] Chelsey Donn: I know with the C-C?
[00:11:07] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.
[00:11:07] Chelsey Donn: I'm, like, is it La Coccinelle, La Coachen- I don't know. We're gonna-
[00:11:11] Trey Gerrald: But there's no accent marks?
[00:11:13] Chelsey Donn: So this review is from Goodreads, I should say. I don't know if Goodreads allows for an accent or not, but there is no accent. What are we, we gotta agree on something because we're gonna talk about them a lot.
[00:11:24] Trey Gerrald: La Coccinelle?
[00:11:25] Chelsey Donn: All right, so we'll call them La Coccinelle. La Coccinelle has written a two-star review on Goodreads for the book, Daddy Christmas and Hanukkah Mama.
[00:11:40] Trey Gerrald: What? [laughs].
[00:11:41] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. Now, I feel like our audience has a totally different relationship with the title of this book. And I'll be honest, when I first read it, I was like, "Daddy Christmas and Hanukkah Mama? [laughs]. Like, y- is this, what is this? A porno? Like, I don't know." But-
[00:12:01] Trey Gerrald: Oh wait, I think now I'm gonna like where this is going, now that I think about it.
[00:12:06] Chelsey Donn: Why?
[00:12:06] Trey Gerrald: Well, at first you said," Daddy Christmas," and I thought it would be Hanukkah Harry.
[00:12:11] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:12:11] Trey Gerrald: But now is this for children that have two separate religious parents? Oh, very nice okay.
[00:12:16] Chelsey Donn: That is what it is. That exact... But, like, am I weird that when I first read that I was like, "Hanukkah daddy?" I mean, I don't know.
[00:12:23] Trey Gerrald: [ laughs]. It occurred to me too, obviously.
[00:12:26] Chelsey Donn: Okay.
[00:12:26] Trey Gerrald: For some reason you can't say daddy without it being like that.
[00:12:29] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, I mean-
[00:12:29] Trey Gerrald: Head tilt.
[00:12:30] Chelsey Donn: Oh. Yeah, exactly. So-
[00:12:32] Trey Gerrald: Okay.
[00:12:33] Chelsey Donn: All right. Let's hear La Coccinelle's opinion. "This book makes one huge assumption. That children will be familiar with both Christmas and Hanukkah celebrations."
[00:12:47] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.
[00:12:48] Chelsey Donn: "There's little explanation for why people do the things they do to celebrate these holidays. Mentions are made of leaving latkes out for Santa and putting gelt under the Christmas tree. But the significance of these things isn't explained. Children who might not be familiar with Christmas will be doubly confused, as the book makes mention of both the religious story, Jesus' birth, and the more secular one, Santa Claus. Having read a couple of other picture books about Hanukkah now, I feel like I have a basic grasp of what's going on."
[00:13:30] Trey Gerrald: [ laughs].
[00:13:31] Chelsey Donn: "And this book doesn't even really cover the basics. I am also still confused about the king and queen. Who are the king and queen? Is that a Jewish thing or a Christian one? I've never heard of it."
[00:13:47] Trey Gerrald: [laughs].
[00:13:49] Chelsey Donn: "The book may be short, but there are places that more explanation could've been added. Instead, we get four pages about holiday cleanup. I'm not exaggerating, unfortunately. I didn't really like the pictures here. Some of them are okay, and I like the use of what looks like collage in addition to the drawings. However, the characters in profile are creepy. Something about the eyes.
[00:14:15] Chelsey Donn: "I've been waiting for this book from the library for so long that Hanukkah's over, and that leads to me to yet another problem with this book. The story as it's written is only going to make sense in years where Hanukkah and Christmas overlap. The differing dates can cause confusion for kids. and I'd like to know how a family like this would celebrate their holidays in a year like 2018. Would Hanukkah and Christmas be more self-contained? Would they bother stuffing the turkey with kugel and leaving latkes out for Santa or just keep the traditions separate?
[00:14:55] Chelsey Donn: "Overall, I was disappointed. This book is gonna have very limited appeal, and may only work for children who find themselves in the same situation as Sadie. Otherwise, it doesn't really add anything to the discussion. You could achieve the same thing by explaining with one simple sentence: 'Some people combine Christmas and Hanukkah traditions.' If you're gonna expand on that sentence in a book, the story needs to do more than just find different ways of repeating that sentence without offering any more information about the traditions themselves."
[00:15:36] Trey Gerrald: Oh my god.
[00:15:40] Chelsey Donn: [laughs].
[00:15:41] Trey Gerrald: Okay, wait. I am very confused-
[00:15:44] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:15:44] Trey Gerrald: ... because I assumed from the top, the attack about: " What are the reasons? What is significance? Why is this tradition?" Which is very culturally Jewish-
[00:15:54] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:15:55] Trey Gerrald: ... to understand traditional lineage. But then later in the review, La Coccinelle says they've read a couple of picture books so now they're an expert on Judaism.
[00:16:06] Chelsey Donn: Yes. Yes.
[00:16:08] Trey Gerrald: So, is La, La Coccinelle in this situation themselves? Like, are they in a mixed religious home or not? Like, I, I'm very confused.
[00:16:21] Chelsey Donn: Right. I think that La Coccinelle is not, which, is my impression because they're like, "This book only makes sense if you're in this exact situation." So were they feeling bad that it didn't make as much sense to them?
[00:16:35] Trey Gerrald: Well, if La Coccinelle is just simply curious, and not finding themselves in the shoes of Sadie, which just hilarious that the main character's name is Sadie.
[00:16:45] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:16:46] Trey Gerrald: 'Sadie, Sadie married lady,' but- I commend wanting to expand one's mind and experience in life-
[00:16:53] Chelsey Donn: Sure.
[00:16:53] Trey Gerrald: ... but I am not sure if that is the case, because they mention that it took so long to get it from the library that it's now past Hanukkah-
[00:16:59] Chelsey Donn: Right, but they still read it.
[00:17:00] Trey Gerrald: ... which then, which then, like, that sort of comes into conversations of privilege and... Because I'm like, if you're waiting that long, can't you find another library? Can't you just go to Books A Million in the mall and just read it in the store?
[00:17:11] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:17:11] Trey Gerrald: But-
[00:17:11] Chelsey Donn: And also, like, of course the b- if the book is out right before Hanukkah, you're not getting that book back until after Hanukkah, 'cause-
[00:17:19] Trey Gerrald: Correct.
[00:17:19] Chelsey Donn: ... the person that lent it is, is gonna want it for the duration of Hanukkah.
[00:17:23] Trey Gerrald: It's just very interesting to me. I'm, this is such an interesting review because-
[00:17:29] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:17:30] Trey Gerrald: ... does a book become insignificant if it's only for a very niche group of people? Because that is an argument that La Coccinelle is making.
[00:17:40] Chelsey Donn: Right. Yeah, I, I came across that same thought when I read that portion of it, because I thought, "Well, isn't that the point of books?"
[00:17:48] Trey Gerrald: Like- the genres. That's why we have-
[00:17:49] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:17:50] Trey Gerrald: ... multiple genres in bookstores.
[00:17:51] Chelsey Donn: Right, like this book exists because there are families that have parents of different faiths. One parent being Jewish, one parent being Christian. It happens all the time. So you would think if you were in that situation, you would be looking for a book like that. And if I were, let's say an author who maybe grew up in that kind of situation or something like that, maybe I would feel compelled to write a book so that there would be other kids, like me, who could feel like they were being seen in this moment. So what's the problem with the story tailored to a specific family?
[00:18:26] Trey Gerrald: Well, exactly. I mean, you need some narrative center piece.
[00:18:29] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:18:30] Trey Gerrald: But I'm curious because I hear La Coccinelle's point that if I wanted to raise children in my interfaith home, I would think that If I was choosing this book, I would have an expectation that it would really nurture and educate-
[00:18:46] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:18:47] Trey Gerrald: ... and give a lot of background. So you would hope that... I mean, I'm imagining, is this a children's book?
[00:18:52] Chelsey Donn: Yes. This is a children-
[00:18:53] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.
[00:18:53] Chelsey Donn: This is a children's book, which is also why I was confused... I mean, again, no offense, not trying to past judgment... but, like, La Coccinelle is writing this review as if they are just trying to... They, they never mentioned having a kid. Like, are they reading this to a child or they're reading this for their own pleasure, do we think?
[00:19:11] Trey Gerrald: I think-
[00:19:11] Chelsey Donn: And they've read a lot of children's books.
[00:19:13] Trey Gerrald: I really cannot deduce. I hon- I can't decipher the reason that La Coccinelle is reading this. I, for a while in the review, I thought it was because they were secretly an illustrator.
[00:19:24] Chelsey Donn: Oh, in, oh because the wh-
[00:19:25] Trey Gerrald: They have so many opinions about drawings.
[00:19:28] Chelsey Donn: Maybe.
[00:19:29] Trey Gerrald: I- you know, okay. I, I'm sort of two minds here.
[00:19:33] Chelsey Donn: Okay.
[00:19:33] Trey Gerrald: But what is La Coccinelle's spelling and grammar like? Aside from how they spell their name.
[00:19:37] Chelsey Donn: OCD excellent.
[00:19:39] Trey Gerrald: Interesting. Okay.
[00:19:41] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Mm-hmm [ affirmative].
[00:19:42] Trey Gerrald: All right, well-
[00:19:43] Chelsey Donn: Like, really, like this person seems like a writer. Like, the way that they, like, use ellipses. They have moments where they use-
[00:19:50] Trey Gerrald: Mmm.
[00:19:50] Chelsey Donn: ... bold lettering, and, you know, parenthesis. It's just, like, it's very pretty. Like, just looking at it and not reading it, you hang it on the fridge. Just looks- oh, even italicized words. Very sexy.
[00:20:01] Trey Gerrald: I love that about Goodreads.
[00:20:03] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:20:03] Trey Gerrald: You, you can really do, like, Microsoft Word formatting.
[00:20:06] Chelsey Donn: I- it's, yes. It's really well-formatted.
[00:20:09] Trey Gerrald: So I, I'm just curious about the timeline of, the month of December- ... because the examples that La Coccinelle uses-
[00:20:16] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:20:17] Trey Gerrald: ... to sort of point out that this can't work every year. Like, this is a leap year-type of book.
[00:20:22] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:20:23] Trey Gerrald: You can stuff a turkey with kugel. It doesn't matter. Like, that doesn't matter-
[00:20:27] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I thought the same thing.
[00:20:29] Trey Gerrald: Also, you can leave, you can leave latkes out for Santa-
[00:20:32] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:20:32] Trey Gerrald: ... even if Hanukkah was two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't... I don't know, like-
[00:20:36] Chelsey Donn: Completely agree.
[00:20:36] Trey Gerrald: Like, we didn't get an example, we didn't get examples of, like, if there's a specific thing you'd incorporate into Hanukkah-
[00:20:43] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:20:43] Trey Gerrald: ... dealing with Christmas. Like, if they aren't on the same, they maybe... But then I also don't think, like, if you're interfaith and you want this entire month to encapsulate both holidays, then, like, you're gonna have to do a little bit of scheduling.
[00:20:58] Chelsey Donn: Or creativity. Yeah. No matter what, the point is that everybody celebrates Christmas on December 25th, and if you're a Jewish kid, you're, like, not included in that. So this is a way of, of bridging the gap between the two, and I think it's really cool.
[00:21:13] Trey Gerrald: Me too.
[00:21:13] Chelsey Donn: Like, I love the idea of stuffing the turkey with kugel. I mean, it's... People do birthday months. It's the holiday month, you know? I- it's all month long.
[00:21:25] Trey Gerrald: Oh, wait. I do want to, I just have to mention-
[00:21:28] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:21:28] Trey Gerrald: 'Who are the king and queen?' What is-
[00:21:30] Chelsey Donn: I knew you were going to mention that.
[00:21:31] Trey Gerrald: Isn't that Harod and Ester or something? Queen Ester?
[00:21:35] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, but that's not Hanukkah.
[00:21:37] Trey Gerrald: No.
[00:21:38] Chelsey Donn: That's, um, Purim or-
[00:21:40] Trey Gerrald: But, but is it no- but isn't Hanukkah... No, that's Passover. When they were ... kicked out? That's Passover.
[00:21:44] Chelsey Donn: That's Passover.
[00:21:45] Trey Gerrald: ... 'cause that leaves time for-
[00:21:46] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:21:46] Trey Gerrald: So Hanukkah's the eight nights, 'cause they didn't have-
[00:21:49] Chelsey Donn: The, it was the, yeah-
[00:21:50] Trey Gerrald: ...The oil.
[00:21:50] Chelsey Donn: Because the candle, the oil for the candle-
[00:21:52] Trey Gerrald: But isn't that because of persecution?
[00:21:55] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:21:56] Trey Gerrald: Is it the king of Egypt?
[00:21:57] Chelsey Donn: I don't know.
[00:21:58] Trey Gerrald: They're slaves in Egypt.
[00:21:59] Chelsey Donn: That's Passover.
[00:21:59] Trey Gerrald: 'Next year in Jerusalem.' That's Passover.
[00:22:01] Chelsey Donn: That's Passover. But this was that they were... I think they were remaking the temple or something 'cause the temple had previously been-
[00:22:08] Trey Gerrald: Been destroyed.
[00:22:09] Chelsey Donn: ... destroyed, for, like, idol worship or whatever, and they were sort of... That was the whole, like, Maccabees, you know, like... Then they got the land ba- this is what I remember, you guys.
[00:22:19] Trey Gerrald: But see, but all of this is in-
[00:22:19] Chelsey Donn: But they went back and they built up the temple and they needed to get supplies. They, like, needed the light to continue working.
[00:22:26] Trey Gerrald: Right, but that king-
[00:22:28] Chelsey Donn: And the oil was supposed to only last for one day-
[00:22:29] Trey Gerrald: Maybe La Coccinelle doesn't celebrate either holiday because the Torah-
[00:22:34] Chelsey Donn: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
[00:22:35] Trey Gerrald: ... in Christian-speak is the Old Testament. So I don't know why La Coccinelle's confusio- I mean we don't know who the queen and king is. I mean, it seems that way in this conversation. But, like, that's not some, like, "Is that a Jewish thing?" Like, no the, it was like historical time-
[00:22:48] Chelsey Donn: I don't know, or is it a Christian thing? Maybe it is a Christian thing. I, like, like i- is there a king in the... Is Christ the king? I don't know. I don't know, guys.
[00:22:58] Trey Gerrald: Well, I think Christ is like a metaphysical king.
[00:23:02] Chelsey Donn: That's what I mean. Maybe there's like a storyline with that. I'm not sure. But the point is, the message that I'm getting is: anything that would be specific about teaching a child about the history of Christmas and about the history of Hanukkah was lacking. That there was not enough of that.
[00:23:20] Trey Gerrald: And, you know, the first... This is a true story, because I grew up in an area that didn't have a lot of Jewish people... the first time I ever even heard the word Hanukkah was the Rugrats special.
[00:23:30] Chelsey Donn: Oh, nice.
[00:23:30] Trey Gerrald: Which was completely tailored children. The Rugrats, was like an animated TV show, and it told the whole story, so there is real power in child storytelling. So I do really get La Coccinelle's point that they didn't take the opportunity to truly teach.
[00:23:48] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:23:49] Trey Gerrald: Which makes me question what is the age group, uh, for this book, because sometimes-
[00:23:52] Chelsey Donn: Right, right.
[00:23:52] Trey Gerrald: ... if they're too young, maybe it's too much at, you know.
[00:23:55] Chelsey Donn: Right. There's only, like, a certain amount of information you wanna-
[00:23:58] Trey Gerrald: Pad it with.
[00:23:59] Chelsey Donn: ... you wanna... And also this seems like it's a book about traditions and less about the history of what the holidays represent, right?
[00:24:08] Trey Gerrald: So then do you think that La Coccinelle's, like, do you think this is a truthful review? Or do we think they're being shady?
[00:24:14] Chelsey Donn: One of the places where I feel like La Coccinelle fails is letting us know the context in which she's reading this book. So that makes a little bit confusing to me, but I do think they were very disappointed. They had a lot of expectations-
[00:24:28] Trey Gerrald: Yeah.
[00:24:28] Chelsey Donn: They were waiting for this book from the library. They really, for whatever reason, wanted this book to be incredible, and they were disappointed.
[00:24:38] Trey Gerrald: So, like, if we were choosing to check this out from the library and we came across this review, does this leave you with an impression that this will be your experience? Or do you think this was a fluke experience? Because to me, like you said, it's this issue of context-
[00:24:53] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:24:53] Trey Gerrald: ... which I, I don't get-
[00:24:54] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:24:55] Trey Gerrald: ... because it might be interesting to read this little book about a, a character named Sadie and this is what their family does to celebrate both holidays. That doesn't have to, like, have anything to do with educating me, or how to incorporate... Like, it could just be a story.
[00:25:10] Chelsey Donn: I completely agree. I don't think that reading this review would stop me from buying the book, truthfully.
[00:25:15] Trey Gerrald: See, but, and I'm not sure, because-
[00:25:18] Chelsey Donn: Really?
[00:25:18] Trey Gerrald: ... Well, I really am just... I think the main point I'm getting from this review is that there's a lack of knowledge in the book. There's a lack of education-
[00:25:28] Chelsey Donn: But if you were buying the book because you were-
[00:25:31] Trey Gerrald: But I could buy this for my nephew, who has-
[00:25:34] Chelsey Donn: Oh yeah, so perfect. For your nephew. So, like, if you were gonna buy this for your nephew-
[00:25:40] Trey Gerrald: No-
[00:25:40] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:25:41] Trey Gerrald: I would probably still buy it because it's at least a book that incorporates both realities.
[00:25:46] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:25:47] Trey Gerrald: And so much of storytelling is very exclusive-
[00:25:50] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:25:51] Trey Gerrald: Exclusionary.
[00:25:52] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:25:52] Trey Gerrald: So I appreciate the openness, and then maybe I would still buy it hoping that something better will come along in the future that really teaches.
[00:26:00] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, or that maybe my expectations for this book are more about how can we combine the cultures. And I think it's a great idea to put kugel in turkeys, so if I was gonna read this to my baby, and this was how we were gonna talk about integrating these two worlds, then maybe they would be really excited to put the kugel in the turkey. And, like, we could Integrate some of these traditions, like putting the latkes out for Santa Claus, into our life in a way that kids... Kids love that kind of stuff. Like, "Oh, I read it in a book and now I'm gonna do it in real life." You know?
[00:26:33] Trey Gerrald: Correct.
[00:26:34] Chelsey Donn: So I actually think that some of the things that La Coccinelle pointed out as negatives, I thought were kind of cool.
[00:26:42] Trey Gerrald: So I, I didn't find this humorous on purpose. I sort of-
[00:26:46] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:26:47] Trey Gerrald: ... I was just laughing. Probably the funniest part was: "I've read a couple of picture books, so I think I understand."
[00:26:54] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, I mean I think it was just anecdotally funny because it's just so funny to think that somebody would take a book that's written for, like, three year olds this seriously enough to write as lengthy a review as what's-her-name wrote about, uh, like, 50 Shades of Gray.
[00:27:14] Trey Gerrald: Oh, Shenice?
[00:27:15] Chelsey Donn: Shenice. I love Shenice. But, like, you know, like this was worthy of a dissertation. This children's book-
[00:27:23] Trey Gerrald: Yes.
[00:27:23] Chelsey Donn: ... that is, probably just the kind of gift that you buy for an interfaith family for Hanukkah with, like, some cookies and latkes in it, you know?
[00:27:32] Trey Gerrald: I think we've inadvertently suggested another Shark Tank item.
[00:27:37] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. A basket with this book and-
[00:27:39] Trey Gerrald: No, someone needs to create, uh, more background, uh, traditional educational story for Sadie's family.
[00:27:47] Chelsey Donn: Oh, yes.
[00:27:48] Trey Gerrald: All right- i, I think I-
[00:27:49] Chelsey Donn: I think we've beaten this, like... We, we've gotten everything out of this we could get out of this in this assessment, I think. What do you think?
[00:27:56] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, I ca- I can crown it.
[00:27:57] Chelsey Donn: Okay.
[00:27:58] Trey Gerrald: All right, so Chelsey and I each have our own set of one to five crown cards, and in an effort to be fair and not influence by one another, we will simultaneously reveal our rating.
[00:28:10] VOICEOVER: The Queens are Tabulating.
[00:28:12] Trey Gerrald: You ready?
[00:28:13] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:28:18] VOICEOVER: Total score-
[00:28:19] Chelsey Donn: Oh, unanimous. We are both holding up two and a half crowns. Okay, Trey, tell us why did you give La Coccinelle two and a half crowns?
[00:28:29] Trey Gerrald: Okay, this is something that's never occurred for me before, but I'm wondering if it's fair to review something if you didn't buy it. You just rented it from the library.
[00:28:39] Chelsey Donn: Mmm.
[00:28:39] Trey Gerrald: I think it is fair if you've-
[00:28:41] Chelsey Donn: I think it's fair-
[00:28:41] Trey Gerrald: ... if you've read it.
[00:28:42] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:28:42] Trey Gerrald: You don't have to own it.
[00:28:43] Chelsey Donn: In this ca- in this context, yes.
[00:28:45] Trey Gerrald: But that just occurred to me.
[00:28:46] Chelsey Donn: Okay.
[00:28:46] Trey Gerrald: I gave it two and a half because I think the impact is a little less than middle of the road for me. I'm missing some key ingredients to connect me to La Coccinelle, because I wanna know if I'm in a similar place, because if I'm not, then maybe it doesn't really matter that much. I think this book-
[00:29:05] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:29:05] Trey Gerrald: ... can have value without it needing to be the educational tool for someone from zero-
[00:29:10] Chelsey Donn: Right.
[00:29:11] Trey Gerrald: ... which, I think maybe La Coccinelle wanted it to be zero, so-
[00:29:14] Chelsey Donn: But it was a two star.
[00:29:16] Trey Gerrald: It was a two star. That's a really great point.
[00:29:18] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:29:18] Trey Gerrald: I just, two and a half because ultimately, I still would consider buying it. And, like you said, some of the negative points actually seem positive to me. So for that reason, two and a half. Now you, Chelsey Donn, why did you also do two and a half?
[00:29:31] Chelsey Donn: Because, again, middle of the road, I felt like there were a lot of spoilers in there that were sort of interesting to me. I think the person that's gonna be reading this is probably gonna be a parent, so maybe it will have the positive affect where it had me now where I was like, "oh, this is interesting with the traditions." so I feel like there was a lot of information given, and the use of grammar and all the ways that the review was formatted was really great. So that was where the points came from. And then ultimately, yeah, took away those two and a half crowns because I don't think I really care, and it's not gonna keep me from buying the book. So that's that. Well, you know, we, we definitely... I think we did La Coccinelle justice.
[00:30:12] Trey Gerrald: I think so, too.
[00:30:12] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:30:12] Trey Gerrald: All right. Good job. Very funny review. Oh my god.
[00:30:16] Chelsey Donn: Thank you. Thank you. Okay guys, let's take a quick break and when we come back, we can get into RQ-T's review. I'm so excited.
[00:30:25] Trey Gerrald: Yay.
[00:30:29] VOICEOVER: Hold your crown. We'll be right back.
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[00:31:38] VOICEOVER: [singing].
[00:31:38] Trey Gerrald: It's
[00:31:51] Trey Gerrald: It's one-star zinger time. All right, Miss Chelsey, it's time to take a quick spin our own Meryl-Go-Round dreidel.
[00:31:59] VOICEOVER: I don't feel like an icon. Most of the days, I feel I can't. Starts with an A.
[00:32:10] Chelsey Donn: All right, Trey and I have each picked a rotten, scathing, pithy one-star zinger, and with 30 seconds on the clock, we'll each try to recite the zinger in as many genres as possible-
[00:32:23] Trey Gerrald: Just like Queen Meryl, who does it all.
[00:32:25] Chelsey Donn: ... before the clock runs out. Okay, Trey, you're first. What is your one-star zinger for today?
[00:32:32] Trey Gerrald: Okay, my zinger today is from amazon.com and, once again, written by Amazon Customer, [
[00:32:40] Trey Gerrald: laughs]-
[00:32:40] Chelsey Donn: Amazon Customer is just all over the place, okay.
[00:32:43] Trey Gerrald: So prolific. And this is for the Holidayana Hanukkah dreidel inflatable decoration, eight feet giant Hanukkah dreidel inflatable yard decor With built-in bulbs, tie-down points, and powerful built-in fan.
[00:32:58] Chelsey Donn: I can't handle it, Amazon. How u- you have to do something about this.
[00:33:02] Trey Gerrald: No, they never will.
[00:33:03] Chelsey Donn: Please.
[00:33:04] Trey Gerrald: So the subject is: "Hebrew letters are upside down".
[00:33:10] Chelsey Donn: Oh.
[00:33:11] Trey Gerrald: And the zinger is: "This dreidel has Hebrew letters which are upside down."
[00:33:17] Chelsey Donn: [laughs]. Okay. Straight to the point.
[00:33:19] Trey Gerrald: Major, major flaw.
[00:33:21] Chelsey Donn: Okay, Trey. You're strapped into a dreidel, but your dreidel, you have gimel, like, right up front.
[00:33:26] Trey Gerrald: Give it to me.