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TRANSCRIPT of Episode 111: "AirBnB: Dog House"

Review That Review with Chelsey Donn & Trey Gerrald
Episode 111: "AirBnb: Dog House"


*Please pardon any and all spelling errors!

[00:00:00] THEME SONG: Everybody's got an opinion.

Every Californian and Virginian.

It's so hard to tell who to trust and who to ignore.

Someone's gotta settle the score.

Trey and Chelsey will help you choose!

Whose views win, which ones lose.

Online haters are comin' for you!

Baby, it's time to Review That Review!

[00:00:30] Chelsey Donn: Hello,

[00:00:32] Trey Gerrald: Oh, hello and welcome to Review That Review. We are the podcast that is dedicated to reviewing

[00:00:41] Chelsey Donn: reviews.

[00:00:44] Trey Gerrald: that is ChelseyBD Donn,

[00:00:46] Chelsey Donn: That is Trey Gerrald.

[00:00:50] Trey Gerrald: and together we are.

[00:00:52] VOICEOVER: The Review Queen.

[00:00:56] Chelsey Donn: Trey. Would you like to.

[00:00:59] VOICEOVER: Lodge A Complaint.

[00:01:01] Trey Gerrald: Oh yes, diva. Okay. 'I really need to Lodge A Complaint against people who are going through A'. Stop walk. What?

A' Crosswalk.

[00:01:11] Chelsey Donn: crosswalk.

[00:01:12] Trey Gerrald: Okay. Yes. People who choose to cross at A' stop crosswalk. Why can't 'I say this word? Okay. All right. People who choose willy nilly to just leisurely walk through A' crosswalk without any speed behind their butt, especially when they choose to start cross the crosswalk when it's blinking down like three, One, and then the red hand shows up and they just still are like, la, la, la, la, la, la. Like 'I don't understand, like 'I don't understand people that have no sense of urgency, period. But 'I really do not understand A' lack of awareness that the light has turned green and this whole row of mechanical devices that could literally murder you.

[00:02:09] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:02:10] Trey Gerrald: You just decide, I'm just gonna be really, really slow. Who cares? It doesn't matter. Nothing takes me from zero to 100 faster than that shit. Especially if 'I see someone being like, oh, the light's about to change. So they run to the crosswalk and then the middle, as soon as they get to the middle of the street, they just stop running.

I'm like, are you kidding? Now's the chance to be murdered. Have you ever experienced this? Why does it make me so angry?

[00:02:39] Chelsey Donn: It just feels like 'I think. It just goes back to the theme of like not being aware of your surroundings and who's around you and how like we're on A' team together and the thing that's 'I think especially annoying about that is that it's always 'I mean. God forbid, A' million times. You know, she never even touch A' situation close to this, but God forbid somebody hits A' pedestrian who's walking, it doesn't matter if the pedestrian was doing the wrong thing, the vehicle is always to blame.

So 'I think that's sort of where it comes from too. Cuz you're like, well I'm not gonna move, I'm not even get anywhere near you because 'I don't wanna kill you and 'I don't wanna, whatever. But like 'I have to be more aware. And so 'I don't know, just like the social agreement. Should be like, I'm the person, I'm gonna walk as fast as 'I can.

Oh my God. The thing is turning green, run, run, run, run, run. And that's like the end of it. And 'I feel like everyone appreciates that. Like even if you are towards the end and you do A' little run, run, run. I'm not like mad at that person. I'm like, maybe they needed to cross. At least they hustled. But if you're like not gonna hustle and you want A', nice mosey like Abey Lane, whatever you call it, moment, then 'I.

[00:03:55] Trey Gerrald: is that Oh, the

[00:03:56] Chelsey Donn: The Beatles like thing where they're, you know, like, if that's what you want, then my friend, like you are A' candidate for going as soon as the thing starts. Like before we even have the flash, when it's just the walking man, that's when you go 'I. If you see the, the hand you wait, you gotta pick A' Lane.

You know what 'I mean?

[00:04:18] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, it really just bugs me to not care. Cuz you can see, you can see when you're walking that now the light perpendicular is red. So you know,

[00:04:31] Chelsey Donn: also like the stop thing stops before it turns green, so it's like stop walking and then like maybe like four seconds later,

[00:04:39] Trey Gerrald: Yeah. There's no ambiguity to this. You know that you're being A' dick.

[00:04:43] Chelsey Donn: right? Yeah.

[00:04:44] Trey Gerrald: Oh, it makes me

[00:04:45] Chelsey Donn: Or you don't know you're being A' dick. Like, 'I think that, that's what I'm feeling more and more is it's, it's not like 'I know I'm being A' dick. It's, I'm so unaware. I'm so not present. It's not even on my wavelength. You know, 'I don't think that like these people are just moseying along. 'I really just think that they're in their own world and they're not thinking outside of their own immediate world.

[00:05:09] Trey Gerrald: Well, it could be the two worlds, but I'm, I'm hearing like if someone is like texting on their phone or if they look really preoccupied with their own thing, that would occur to me as an opportunity to honk. But 'I would not honk if it looks like someone is like, oh, I'm the Queen of Meryl Street, so I'm just gonna walk as low as 'I want.

And 'I know that you're all stuck behind me because I'm the Queen. That makes me like

[00:05:32] Chelsey Donn: 'I guess maybe 'I just don't see the Queen that much.

[00:05:35] Trey Gerrald: Hmm. Interesting. Maybe, maybe there's like A' difference on the coast.

[00:05:40] Chelsey Donn: be also 'I. Think there is A' difference on the coast because in La

[00:05:44] Trey Gerrald: you can get A'

[00:05:45] Chelsey Donn: You can get A' ticket for jaywalking. So it's not really A' part of the culture, so to speak, to be just like crossing whatever you want. The city is like A', walking City, so it's like the Walkers rule, the roost.

And maybe you're right. Now that I'm thinking about it, it is more just like I'm gonna do what 'I want. And even when 'I have like New York friends come to LA it'll be A' time where 'I know like, I'm definitely not going. And they'll start like running and I'm like girlfriend, like. 'I. Think of the classic 'I.

Don't know what movie it is, but the guy hitting the cabin, he's like, I'm walking here. You know? Whereas in the Midwest, what's super interesting, they'll stop, they got A' green light ahead. They see A' passenger trying to cross the road. They'll just stop. Go ahead,

[00:06:30] Trey Gerrald: makes no

[00:06:30] Chelsey Donn: go

[00:06:31] Trey Gerrald: 'I don't understand that.

[00:06:32] Chelsey Donn: They, it wasn't like that in the South

[00:06:36] Trey Gerrald: People didn't walk in the South.

[00:06:42] Chelsey Donn: 'I.

[00:06:42] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.

'I don't 'I. Have no 'I, have no

[00:06:45] Chelsey Donn: drove through the drive-throughs.

[00:06:47] Trey Gerrald: Mm-hmm. Sonic. All right. That's my Complaint enough on this topic.

[00:06:50] Chelsey Donn: Oh my God. 'I, love

[00:06:51] Trey Gerrald: Just everyone be aware. Okay? And it like, if A' huge vehicle can murder and kill you, why don't you just have some awareness and maybe don't consider yourself. A' Queen in that situation, but definitely be A' Queen when it comes to reviews.

ChelseyBD 'I. Think it's time for us to,

[00:07:08] VOICEOVER: Review. That, Review,

[00:07:11] Chelsey Donn: As you know, we are your trustee. Review Queens. We bring in reviews from the internet that we feel need to be inspected.

[00:07:19] Trey Gerrald: we read you A' review, then we break it down and rate the impact of that review on A' scale from zero to five crowns, it is A' very regal process that we call.

[00:07:29] VOICEOVER: Assess, That, Kvetch.

[00:07:31] Trey Gerrald: And ChelseyBD, it's you this week. What have you brought in?

[00:07:35] Chelsey Donn: Well, well, well, Trey, it has been A' while, hasn't it? Since we have visited the site, Airbnb Do you remember when we did that? The crazy situation with the Cliff?

[00:07:48] Trey Gerrald: yes. 'I Do remember this?

[00:07:51] Chelsey Donn: So 'I decided to do A', little Sleuthing and 'I found another review. Unfortunately, my least favorite part about this website is that it doesn't have A' name, so we are gonna have to name the person.

[00:08:03] Trey Gerrald: Okay.

[00:08:04] Chelsey Donn: The subject of the review before we name them is Odd Pet Situation. Host expects guest to take care of dogs,

[00:08:15] Trey Gerrald: Oh no.

[00:08:16] Chelsey Donn: so

[00:08:17] Trey Gerrald: we call them Dr. Doolittle?

[00:08:19] Chelsey Donn: we can call them Dr. Doolittle 'I was thinking about titling this whole episode dog doghouse,

[00:08:24] Trey Gerrald: It's A' Dark House.

[00:08:25] Chelsey Donn: so maybe we can call them doghouse.

[00:08:28] Trey Gerrald: Okay,

[00:08:28] Chelsey Donn: Okay, let's call them doghouse. Sure. So this is A' one-star review from Airbnb written by doghouse.

[00:08:38] Trey Gerrald: Okay.

[00:08:38] Chelsey Donn: Subject odd pet situation. Hosts expect guests to take care of dogs. 'I will start off by saying that this Airbnb listing did not mention that pets were in the apartment. So 'I was both shocked and pleasantly surprised. 'I like animals. When 'I saw two small dogs outside on the patio, they were puppies, 'I, don't mind dogs, and 'I just thought that they belong to the owner.

It turns out the owner was A' live out owner and no one owned the dogs. There was one guy who 'I think was supposed to look after the flat and the dogs and serve as the attendant for the Airbnb, but he was gone. Sometimes all day, and most of the night

[00:09:31] Trey Gerrald: Hmm.

[00:09:31] Chelsey Donn: 'I don't know if this guy had A' job, but while these dogs were getting food and water, they weren't getting walked and would consistently cry for attention.

The neighbors would knock on the door and leave notes telling us that the dogs were crying. There were three adults in the apartment who gone for most of the day. These poor dogs were not getting the best care. The other tenant in the apartment and 'I offered to walk them, but they had no leashes.

[00:10:07] Trey Gerrald: Oh my God.

[00:10:07] Chelsey Donn: Cut to later in the week, two people came into the flat to adopt one of the dogs.

Okay, so the owner breeds dogs and then dumps them in the Airbnb until they can be adopted. That's A' pretty shitty thing to do to the dogs. There were some other odd things about the place as well. The place looked like it was being lived in by someone else entirely. The kitchen had random family photos, none of which included the photos of the host.

There were boxes full of stuff and luggage in the closets. The bathrooms were stocked with A', whole bunch of half used toiletries. It felt like A' dumping ground, which someone never really moved out of. On top of that, the place was on the bottom of A' massive building, which was under construction. I'm sure this isn't the worst experience, but it was odd and misleading from the photos and description.

'I. There was no transparency and neither the random guy or the host ever explained what was up with the dog situation. Doghouse.

[00:11:27] Trey Gerrald: Okay, so 'I, remember with Airbnb, hell do they link to the listing

[00:11:32] Chelsey Donn: 'I know. 'I knew you were gonna ask me that. No, there's no hyperlink unfortunately. And 'I, 'I, you know, 'I did wanna discuss that cuz 'I don't know how that affects reviewing the review because we can't, you know, we're not getting this from Airbnb, so it's not as if somebody's gonna see it.

[00:11:49] Trey Gerrald: 'I mean it's A'. Very upsetting review. Like what, what is happening here? It also took me A' very long time to sort of figure out that it was an apartment with multiple units, like an apartment

[00:12:01] Chelsey Donn: Right. Yeah, yeah,

[00:12:02] Trey Gerrald: like the neighbors. And then it's sort of like the other 'I, like 'I didn't understand what was happening and then they like throw around the word flat.

So it makes me think this is like

[00:12:09] Chelsey Donn: This is like you. Yes, definitely.

[00:12:12] Trey Gerrald: And then 'I like missed three sentences cuz 'I was like, what the fuck is A'? Live out what? A' like 'I was like wrapping my brain

[00:12:20] Chelsey Donn: Well, no 'I think they were just saying live out like meaning you have live in host and live out host. So like this host 'I mean. Think about this situation, right? You go on Airbnb, you find A' listing. It mentions nothing about anyone else inhabiting the space. There's pictures, whatever. You see the photo of the host and the first thing that you see are these like two puppies, 'I get it.

Like 'I would be both delighted cuz 'I love puppies, but also like who's taking care of these puppies and how like anxiety inducting because it kind of makes you feel like, is somebody else here, right? Like is somebody else gonna walk in? Like what is the story? And also like the dogs are being fed and watered by who?

[00:13:04] Trey Gerrald: And then who is the random family?

[00:13:06] Chelsey Donn: 'I don't know,

[00:13:08] Trey Gerrald: It, it like made me think first of all, like those photos that are like staged inside of like picture frames when you buy them, like just like random families. Also for A' sake of clarity, this apartment, so the dogs are in A' back patio.

[00:13:24] Chelsey Donn: They were puppies, which also like you don't walk puppies Donn. Don't know if like dog house didn't know that, but like that could be the reason why they didn't have A' leash, because puppies don't have all their shots. So you don't just walk A' puppy.

[00:13:39] Trey Gerrald: Clearly these dogs are neglected. That's goes

[00:13:41] Chelsey Donn: That's clear. Yes.

[00:13:42] Trey Gerrald: 'I mean. The whole premise of this is so absurd. Like it goes without saying like, can you imagine checking into an Airbnb and there's two fucking dogs? Like, what the

fuck, 'I,

[00:13:54] Chelsey Donn: the fuck?

[00:13:55] Trey Gerrald: makes no sense to me.

[00:13:57] Chelsey Donn: It doesn't make sense. There's definitely some pieces from the narrative that 'I feel like are missing. The doghouse didn't do the best job at sort of leading the transition. You know, they're saying things like the attendant was not available, but sometimes available. So 'I wanna know, like, did you confront them?

[00:14:14] Trey Gerrald: Also, the neighbors like, now I'm understanding it's an apartment complex, so it's like the neighbors like probably share A' wall of the back patio, so they are

[00:14:23] Chelsey Donn: 'I. Don't think that the, for the record, 'I, don't think that these dogs are like permanently on the back patio 'I. Think maybe there's like A' dog door that takes 'em out to the back patio where they probably pee.

[00:14:32] Trey Gerrald: Also, how long was Doghouses stay?

[00:14:36] Chelsey Donn: They didn't tell us.

[00:14:38] Trey Gerrald: that's another thing cuz I'm wondering like, God forbid, what if you rented this out and it slipped your mind that you put the two dogs on the patio, 'I. And forgot to get like 'I don't under, like 'I don't understand the whole narrative about this attendant who's there but isn't there and maybe has A' job and then the

[00:14:53] Chelsey Donn: and then, oh yeah, then they say, so this was also, doesn't make sense cuz first I'm like, okay, we're an apartment complex. Then they say there were three adults in the apartment who gone for most of the day.

[00:15:05] Trey Gerrald: right? What

[00:15:06] Chelsey Donn: Is this A' room in A', like in an apartment?

[00:15:11] Trey Gerrald: maybe it is A' room in an

[00:15:12] Chelsey Donn: Which like in that case it's, it's still weird, but it's A' little bit less weird because then you're like, am

[00:15:19] Trey Gerrald: Oh,

[00:15:20] Chelsey Donn: entering into like A' four bedroom apartment where one of the bedrooms they rent out as A' Airbnb and they happen to have dogs and they didn't mention it, or they are, or like selling these puppies and they didn't mention it

[00:15:32] Trey Gerrald: wait. Maybe it is that. But then also like the neighbors are slipping notes and then they say that the other person, neighbors was saying like 'I would walk them. But then 'I am so there are so many critical details

[00:15:45] Chelsey Donn: That are missing.

[00:15:47] Trey Gerrald: left out.

[00:15:48] Chelsey Donn: 'I think so.

[00:15:49] Trey Gerrald: if you're at the bottom and there's A', lot of construction, like on the higher levels, is that, what impact are you gonna have

[00:15:56] Chelsey Donn: Well, they're not complaining about that. You know what 'I mean? They're just saying like they're just mentioning it. It sounds like the real point of confusion for me is the random dog. And then the three other people living in the apartment. And is the random guy one of the three other roommates, are they roommates?

[00:16:13] Trey Gerrald: wait. And then also this whole conversation about the family pictures and the half used bathroom, like maybe it's A' private bathroom in the bedroom, like you're renting out the primary bedroom en suite or

[00:16:25] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.

[00:16:26] Trey Gerrald: I'm so confused.

[00:16:28] Chelsey Donn: Well, right. The like half used lotion and toiletries, which it's like if they're just renting A' bedroom and there are three other adults living in the space, well then that would make sense if they're like sharing A' bathroom.

[00:16:41] Trey Gerrald: Right. You wouldn't think it was A' dumping zone if there's other roommates,

[00:16:44] Chelsey Donn: But if they're, but if they're doing an en suite, wouldn't 'I just think it's one of the other quote unquote roommates families.

[00:16:52] Trey Gerrald: I'm confused.

[00:16:53] Chelsey Donn: Mm. Getting more and more confused as we go.

[00:16:56] Trey Gerrald: But what is valuable u unique information here for me is like you've gotta do very, very good sleuthing, but 'I don't even know like how you would

[00:17:07] Chelsey Donn: for this

[00:17:08] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, cuz doghouse said like they didn't even say that there were animals, which that's crazy.

[00:17:14] Chelsey Donn: Listen, it depends on how we're taking this review. 'I would think, if I'm using this as A', my recommendation, if 'I were to rent out an Airbnb, any Airbnb, then it would be if I'm renting out A' room in A', an apartment where other adults are living that and 'I wanna know, 'I might say, are there any animals who live there?

Even if it's not in the listing.

[00:17:37] Trey Gerrald: And I'm also curious here, like if 'I found myself in this circumstance, would 'I feel responsible for calling like animal control? 'I? It's 'I. Feel like the animals are endangered here. Like this is like,

[00:17:50] Chelsey Donn: 'I mean 'I. Think that's what they're making us feel like. On the one hand, and 'I don't mean to be insensitive cuz you know 'I love dogs, but 'I just don't know if 'I trust doghouse. A'. Hundred percent. Like the dogs are getting fed, the dogs are drinking water. If they're out on the patio, then maybe there's like A' grass patch out on the patio and that's where they're going to the bathroom.

And then like there are. Three other roommates, so like should two puppies, which again, we don't know how old these puppies are, they're just referring to 'em as puppies. You're A' puppy through 'I. Guess like age one, right? Should these puppies be left? You know, willy-nilly in the apartment, having the spaces, an Airbnb where strangers are gonna come in?

No, but are they like in immediate danger? To the degree that we're being told. 'I, don't know. 'I, just think it's more of A' bizarre situation. And 'I just want more, even though like they end the review by saying, like, the dog situation was never clarified. 'I just want more of like, where is the, like the urgency is like, oh, these dogs aren't being taken care of.

But I'm not feeling the urgency of like, of course, like 'I would wanna know what is, what's happening

[00:18:58] Trey Gerrald: So do you think that doghouse is being truthful or do you think they're being shady?

[00:19:03] Chelsey Donn: 'I don't know 'I, mean 'I think they're being truthful because it sounds like such A' bizarre situation, like why would you lie? But 'I don't know if their truth is everybody's truth. 'I don't know

[00:19:14] Trey Gerrald: cuz 'I feel like they are being truthful. But can you be truthful if you're lying by omission like 'I? Feel like there's

[00:19:21] Chelsey Donn: know. That's the question.

[00:19:22] Trey Gerrald: And then what about spelling, grammar,

[00:19:24] Chelsey Donn: Just like that one error

[00:19:27] Trey Gerrald: right?


[00:19:27] Chelsey Donn: But that was kind of A' critical point of the review

[00:19:30] Trey Gerrald: yes. And if we are missing so much of the narrative, like do 'I consider that and spelling, grammar

'I? Don't know

[00:19:38] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. 'I think that by the rules of like storytelling and

[00:19:43] Trey Gerrald: grading this as an essay.

[00:19:44] Chelsey Donn: 'I would say you're missing A' chunk of the narrative. So yeah. Then 'I guess in this case, if we're gonna think about spelling and grammar as like English teachers grading it, low score

[00:19:55] Trey Gerrald: I'm really sitting on two sides here because 'I feel like if this is A' single unit apartment, that is A'. Much different

[00:20:02] Chelsey Donn: Correct,

[00:20:03] Trey Gerrald: getting one of the rooms inside of A' multi bedroom

[00:20:07] Chelsey Donn: correct.

[00:20:07] Trey Gerrald: 'I. Because then 'I don't necessarily think the dogs are your responsibility, but if you're renting the room, you're technically renting the common space too, unless you're explicitly not, which then means if the back patio is attached to the living room, then like, if you're gonna be sitting in the, like, it's, this is very, 'I would

say, this is, this is one of the most atypical reviews we've ever, we've ever tackled on the show.

Now, are you entertained

[00:20:35] Chelsey Donn: 'I. Am 'I. Just wish they would've shared it. A'. Little bit better.

[00:20:39] Trey Gerrald: 'I don't know if I'm entertained or if I'm concerned.

[00:20:42] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. But either way, 'I mean 'I. Think 'I. 'I.

[00:20:45] Trey Gerrald: caught up. Well, my energy is definitely different than it was before Doghouses review.

[00:20:53] Chelsey Donn: 'I definitely think we have to say like it's captivating,

[00:20:57] Trey Gerrald: 'I need to know what happened.

[00:20:58] Chelsey Donn: know more. I'm also frustrated cuz 'I feel like 'I don't know everything.

[00:21:03] Trey Gerrald: 'I might take some crowns off for the irresponsibility of not linking to the post

[00:21:10] Chelsey Donn: post. Yeah. All right, 'I, think I'm ready to crown doghouse. Are you?

[00:21:16] Trey Gerrald: 'I. Think 'I Am too.

[00:21:17] Chelsey Donn: Okay, let's do it.

[00:21:17] Trey Gerrald: So ChelseyBD and 'I each have our own set of zero to five crown cards. In an effort to be fair and not influenced by one another, we will simultaneously reveal our rating.

[00:21:29] VOICEOVER: The Queens are Tabulating

tow school.

[00:21:37] Chelsey Donn: Oh my goodness. Two

[00:21:38] Trey Gerrald: Whoa.

[00:21:39] Chelsey Donn: Two crowns. The Queens are unanimous. 'I love when that happens. All right, Trey, you start us off. Why two crowns for doghouse?

[00:21:47] Trey Gerrald: 'I mean 'I almost said one crown. But even though 'I can't apply this to A' specific listing, 'I don't think 'I. It would have been my listing anyway cuz they say flat, which makes me think it's uk. I've never been to the uk So, but 'I think what I'm taking away from it is perhaps this is more proof of why like 'I just wanna do hotels.

[00:22:07] Chelsey Donn: Totally

[00:22:08] Trey Gerrald: Because you just never know what someone is trying to conceal, especially in this online world that we live in


[00:22:15] Chelsey Donn: Don't trust anybody.

[00:22:16] Trey Gerrald: But then 'I also think like, okay, so given what we are given, what is the impact? And 'I do think the doghouse dropped the ball on A' lot of occasions to where 'I can't really give them much more of A' high percentage.

Here, 'I need to know is this A' single room? Is this A' private apartment? What's going on with the patio? You say they're small like puppies, but like who is the attendant? What do you mean the attendant has A' job? Like what 'I.

'I don't know. And 'I just 'I. There's so much confusion. 'I, don't think I've ever felt this confused before.

And we are A' hundred and 11 episodes in So doghouse, you're doing pretty good work there. But ultimately the impact is like 'I. Just let me just like get A' Hyatt or something. Anyway, that's why it's A' Two Crowns. 'I am I'm definitely emotionally impacted by this though. ChelseyBD, why did you say to Crowns 'I?

[00:23:09] Chelsey Donn: That's exactly it. It's the emotional investment for me that the two crowns are coming from. Like I'm glad 'I read the review because 'I think it's interesting. It definitely popped out for me like, oh wow, this is A' scenario that I've never heard of before. Right? So 'I think it's captivating and that's where the two crowns are coming from, but also took away three crowns because if 'I were to write this as A' short film, which 'I might.

'I have to fill in A'. Lot of the gaps, right? And 'I. Do think the doghouse dropped the ball there, which is A' Huge portion of what 'I need to Crown Review. Queen. So just two crowns for me, but interesting. Review

[00:23:48] Trey Gerrald: 'I mean, baffling, baffling, baffling. My dogs are barking.

[00:23:55] Chelsey Donn: A' Dog's A', bargain barking. Trey 'I. Think we've reached the most regal portion of our show. Who are you inducting for?

[00:24:03] VOICEOVER: My, Royal, Highness.

[00:24:05] Trey Gerrald: All right, so as we have discussed on this show in the recent past, H B O, max became Max, so 'I spent A' little time exploring the app to see like what's new, what's going on, like what's really mur. It's all confusing to me, and in that 'I. 'I found this very interesting documentary that was released in 2021, but 'I want to bring it to our audience because it really sort of unraveled A' few things for me and in our show where we sort of pick things apart and like rate things, it really like spun my mind A' little bit about how consumed we are by social media.

So this documentary is called 15 Minutes of Shame, 'I.

[00:24:50] Chelsey Donn: 'I. Think I've watched that. 'I actually was talking about it last week.

[00:24:54] Trey Gerrald: No way.

[00:24:55] Chelsey Donn: 'I was to, yeah. Anyway, continue

[00:24:57] Trey Gerrald: All right. So 15 minutes of shame. This is like the little, like one sentence synopsis, Monica Lewinsky 'I. And filmmaker Max Joseph, who is like the gray-haired guy from the TV show. Catfish, examine the human price of public shaming and cyber harassment, profiling people who have experienced them firsthand while investigating the bullies, the bystanders, and experts in between.

So 'I was sort of, you know, intrigued by the title, and I'm obsessed with Monica Lewinsky. 'I am like, so for that, Like, what would 'I say that re-examination

[00:25:34] Chelsey Donn: The rebranding.

[00:25:36] Trey Gerrald: done to her and you know, like

[00:25:38] Chelsey Donn: That we're finally waking up to the fo the, the fact that we just slut shamed this poor young girl.

[00:25:45] Trey Gerrald: Also how like 'I, just remember when that Ted Talk came out

[00:25:49] Chelsey Donn: Yes,

[00:25:49] Trey Gerrald: and, and then that like Vanity Fair article or some article came out and she was talking about the Beyonce lyric. He, Monica Lewinsky all on my gown or dress or whatever the lyric is, and Monica Lewinsky is like, If you wanna be like correct about it, it would be Bill Clinton on the gown, which is like so true because somehow the whole story turned into like her as the bad person, which, anyway, it's A'.

Little aside the point, but obviously Monica Lewinsky comes to this documentary with the experience of being technically the prototype of what it was to be.

[00:26:26] Chelsey Donn: Villainized as the

[00:26:28] Trey Gerrald: enemy number one in this world of the internet because they released the Ken Star investigation onto the internet. So anyway, the documentary follows like five different people who have been, um, publicly ostracized

[00:26:42] Chelsey Donn: many of them you probably know or you've heard.

[00:26:45] Trey Gerrald: of Cancel Culture and two of them explicitly have been cleared of, it was all A' misunderstanding or it was A' mis contortion of the truth. But because this was released in 2021, the cases feel very close to us. Like, like, like, like you're saying, like you know them. It's not like this was 15 years ago or that this was Monica Lewinsky.


[00:27:08] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, like there's stories you heard and you have A' narrative and you've been at A' party and you've spoken the narrative and you've like been A' contributing factor in the misinformation and the canceling of this individual.

[00:27:21] Trey Gerrald: So like on the surface level, it really is examining like what is the impact of cultivating A' culture where we don't see the humanity in people and we don't see nuance

[00:27:33] Chelsey Donn: And there's like not the presumption of innocence or not the presumption of like, maybe this is misinformation.

[00:27:40] Trey Gerrald: And 'I think the documentary does A' really great job of interviewing true PhD level experts on what human conditioning is, what social media psychology is.

They do A', really compelling job in presenting where are we heading in A' culture That piles on without any supporting evidence and it really shook me. And the whole title, 15 minutes of Shame. It's sort of A' play on the fact that Andy Warhol said in the future everyone will have 15 minutes of fame.

And then the flip of that is everyone will have 15 minutes of Amity 'I. Now we're all just on the internet and our lives are exposed, like our babies are exposed from like inception. So anyway, 'I would highly implore you this. This entire episode has been A' little serious, but 'I would implore you if you're interested.

It's not like A' depressing documentary, it's just A'. Really insightful sort of examining of. How do you contribute to like where we're headed in this culture that's just feeding, animosity and resentment and we just all want an enemy 'I mean. It's just really fascinating and kudos to Monica Lewinsky and Max Joseph cuz it was really compelling.

'I haven't been able to stop thinking about it and 'I watched it several days ago. But

[00:29:01] Chelsey Donn: 'I watched it

[00:29:01] Trey Gerrald: all of those

[00:29:02] Chelsey Donn: years ago. 'I watched it when it first came out and 'I was literally talking about it last week.

[00:29:07] Trey Gerrald: That's crazy. So 'I must induct 15 minutes of shame. You can watch it on Max and for that reason you are My Royal Highness this week.

[00:29:18] Chelsey Donn: Wow. Great induction, Trey. Very, very good.

[00:29:21] Trey Gerrald: Why thank you. Well, that's it. That's been our 15 minutes of shame. We did A' Queen, another round on the R Ru A' RQ Ferris Wheel of look at those poppies.

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[00:31:26] Chelsey Donn: It's interesting cuz 'I feel like the theme of this episode was sort of like fake news. Like is doghouse fake news?

[00:31:31] Trey Gerrald: I'm,

[00:31:32] Chelsey Donn: Is doghouse the victim or is doghouse the perpetrator?

[00:31:37] Trey Gerrald: I'm so worried about those dogs.

[00:31:39] Chelsey Donn: about the dogs. The dogs are the victims at the end of the day.

[00:31:43] Trey Gerrald: yes.

[00:31:44] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.