Review That Review with Chelsey Donn & Trey Gerrald
Episode 63: "Aluminum-Free Deodorant"
*Please Pardon any spelling errors!
THEME SONG: [00:00:00] Everybody's got an opinion.
Every Californian and Virginian.
[00:54:06] Chelsey Donn: That would be great. I'm sure Aaron would be honored.
Someone's gotta settle the score.
Trey and Chelsey will help you choose!
Whose views win, which ones lose.
Online haters are comin' for you!
Baby, it's time to Review That Review!
[00:00:30] Chelsey Donn: Hello?
[00:00:31] Trey Gerrald: Well, hello. hello, ChelseyBD and hello, dear listener Queens. To Review That Review, we are the podcast
[00:00:40] Chelsey Donn: Was that a sentence?
[00:00:42] Trey Gerrald: and hello to you. Dear listener Queen to I have to say welcome.
[00:00:49] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Hello? Yeah, go ahead.
[00:00:51] Trey Gerrald: And hello to you. Dear listener Queen, and welcome to Review That Review. We are the podcast dedicated to reviewing
[00:01:00] Chelsey Donn: Reviews work just like Cisco Neibert only instead of reviewing cinematic, masterpieces, we rate and review those hilarious scathing and sometimes suspicious online reviews.
[00:01:12] Trey Gerrald: that is Chelsey, Donn,
[00:01:14] Chelsey Donn: And that is Trey Gerrald.
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[00:01:20] VOICEOVER: The review Queens.
[00:01:23] Trey Gerrald: Well, Chelsey goose. We are officially a little more than two months into this new format of covering one review here on the main podcast, but saving that additional review exclusively for our members on Patreon. So listener Queen, if you haven't joined our Patreon yet. Maybe you've once or twice found yourself at the end of an episode and you've thought out loud, gee, I could really go for some more ChelseyBD and Trey right now, then consider this your formal invitation to check out our membership opportunities over on Patreon dot com.
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[00:03:13] Trey Gerrald: Yay.
[00:03:14] Chelsey Donn: Yay.
[00:03:16] Trey Gerrald: We've been getting some questions always about what is, what is the point of Patriot? All of that. What is so hopefully that
[00:03:23] Chelsey Donn: Hopefully that answers it. Yeah. I mean, I, do you guys ever have that feeling when you just find a new TV show or I, I just started watching this reality show, which is kind of embarrassing. It's called my claim to fame. I've been watching it on Hulu. It's hosted by Kevin Jonas and then the other one, the one that's not. I think it's Kevin and, and then the Frankie, the one that's not in the group. Are you there? Are you alive?
[00:03:53] Trey Gerrald: I, I've never heard of, never heard of these Jonas people.
[00:03:57] Chelsey Donn: What? The Jonas brothers?
[00:03:59] Trey Gerrald: Nick Jonas. Right? Joe Jonas.
[00:04:02] Chelsey Donn: and Kevin, isn't it. Kevin
[00:04:04] Trey Gerrald: Kevin,
[00:04:05] Chelsey Donn: let's look up these Jonah
[00:04:06] Trey Gerrald: the Jonas brothers,
[00:04:08] Chelsey Donn: It's Kevin, isn't it.
[00:04:11] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, you're right. I've literally never heard Kevin Jonas , but I recognize his face.
[00:04:17] Chelsey Donn: anyway, here's the deal. So I, I start watching the show. It's called your claim to fame, and it's all these people that are related to celebrities. They give you like little hints here and there about who they are. And then at the end of the week, you have to say, like, I think that Trey is related to. I Donn know carrot top, cuz you look so much like him and, and and then if you're right, then that person has to go home and if you're wrong, then you have to go home.
[00:04:47] Chelsey Donn: Now I think what I've explained is that the show is very dumb and I only watched it because I was sick. So I've been watching it because now I'm hooked and that's what happens when you get sucked into these reality shows, you're like, I'll give it a chance. And then the next thing you know, you're like fangirling over these like second cousins of Diana Ross.
[00:05:05] Chelsey Donn: And so, so
[00:05:07] Trey Gerrald: that was spoiler.
[00:05:08] Chelsey Donn: spoiler. That was just, I made that up because I didn't wanna spoil, but the point is, yeah, like, so I'm now I'm into it, you know? And so I go to Hulu. And I happened to catch it, like on the day that it came out and then I had to wait a whole week and I felt like every day I was like refreshing that Hulu page to see like, is there a new episode?
[00:05:27] Chelsey Donn: Is there a new episode? So I don't wanna be so pretentious as to think that people have that experience with our show. However, I do love that feeling of being like, I have to wait another week for a show. Oh, there's this like extra thing that I can see that can sort of get me through to the next week.
[00:05:46] Chelsey Donn: And if you're a true fan of the show, that's what I think Patreon is. It's like, I like listening to these reviews while I go on my walk and I wanna go on two walks this week. Well, like hop on Patreon, and then there you go. We're, we're gonna join you for two walks instead of one, you know, it's exciting.
[00:06:04] Trey Gerrald: That's the connection piece. I was like, why is she talking about your claim to fame and Kevin Jonas?
[00:06:09] Chelsey Donn: the long, it was the long way around. But I think that, like, I'm just saying, like, I understand that feeling, you know?
[00:06:17] Trey Gerrald: of course. Well, we all do now. Cause we're so used to binging that we like the thought of having to wait, you know, six days for your favorite
[00:06:24] Trey Gerrald: stuff is torture. Wait, okay, wait. So Chelsey and I are recording right now and it, this is not a normal recording day. It was spur the moment we're both doing it.
[00:06:33] Trey Gerrald: And the fact that Chelsey is here is actually no joking, pretty remarkable.
[00:06:39] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:06:39] Trey Gerrald: Okay. This is like very intense and serious. So I want you to walk us through what happened.
[00:06:46] Chelsey Donn: Okay. So I've been pretty fortunate. I did get the flu at the beginning of the year, but I've not gotten hit with COVID this entire time. Thank you. But unfortunately the day before I was supposed to fly home for a trip back east and to do a photo shoot with Trey for all of you guys that I was really excited about, I got COVID and I did get quite sick throughout that process.
[00:07:11] Chelsey Donn: Even though I have two boosters, but you know, I have some immunocompromised stuff and I took plod, which is the, the medication you could take. And I was feeling much better. And then I was put on steroid. And long story short, my like heart had a real reaction to the steroids. It was beating very fast. It was probably one of the scariest things I've ever experienced in my life.
[00:07:35] Chelsey Donn: I was sitting completely calm, watching a Netflix special on like Netflix and chilling, ready to leave, to fly out the next day. And I had this horrible episode that left me in the hospital for like almost 14 hours. And now I have to wear this heart monitor attached to my like body. It's like two to three weeks and it's just a saga and it's scary.
[00:08:00] Chelsey Donn: And it just reminds us that life is so precious. And I'm so lucky. That's really what, what it all comes down to is that I was very scared and it ended up just being a reaction likely to the medication. And I didn't have any blood clots and I'm very, very fortunate. And, and the entire time that I was there.
[00:08:17] Chelsey Donn: You're so lucky. You're so lucky. You're so lucky, but because this is a show about complaining. I just
[00:08:26] Trey Gerrald: balancing the scales.
[00:08:27] VOICEOVER: Lodge Complaint.
[00:08:29] Chelsey Donn: I just wanna say that, like I waited a really long time to get into the emergency room. Like that was very, very stressful. I had a very nice, it's never the nurse's fault. We know it. It's not the nurse's fault. It's not the doctor's fault. It's not their fault that like, it takes so long to get back there, but like still, it's hard to separate the aggravation.
[00:08:47] Chelsey Donn: And, and also the other thing I just wanna complain about. So I'm very happy about the, having the heart monitor, because I know that it's for like my safety, my protection, they wanna know what's going on with. But the tape that adheres to your skin with this monitor, it's, it's very itchy. Okay. It's very uncomfortable.
[00:09:09] Chelsey Donn: It, it, doesn't, it just like doesn't allow my body when I'm sleeping to like, be in the right position that I wanna be in. It's very annoying. It's one of those things that I have to be aware of at all times that it's there. I also like. Okay guys, she doesn't follow the rules all the time. They told me I couldn't shower with it on like for 24 hours, but I don't know if you've ever been in an emergency room for like a very long length of time.
[00:09:32] Chelsey Donn: I showered, like I'm not gonna not shower, but like I put a Ziploc bag over it. So I'm like negotiating with a Ziploc bag while trying to clean myself. We all need to be grateful for the moments that we're healthy. because this is a pain in the ass. And I just wanna go back to normal. God willing. I wanna heal up.
[00:09:52] Chelsey Donn: I wanna be fine. And this is a little scary to think that. So many aspects of my health, like my blood pressure and my heart rate that were normal, like literally normal. I know. Cause I went to the doctor right before I got COVID are now like elevated and I don't know, like, I don't know if this is long COVID.
[00:10:13] Chelsey Donn: So if you guys have any advice for me, please like slide into the DMS. Let me know how you lived with long COVID or if you had any of these symptoms, let me know. Or if you've ever worn a heart monitor and you have an easy way to like shower and enjoy your life still, or get rid of the itch. Also
[00:10:30] Trey Gerrald: Oh,
[00:10:30] Chelsey Donn: me know.
[00:10:31] Chelsey Donn: So that was a very long winded Complaint and gratitude moment, but that's it. That's where I am right now.
[00:10:37] Trey Gerrald: wow. Well, I'm glad that you are sitting up and you're not in bed
[00:10:43] Trey Gerrald: and that you were
[00:10:43] Chelsey Donn: Yes.
[00:10:45] Trey Gerrald: to jump on and do a recording and.
[00:10:47] Chelsey Donn: I am sitting up for the first time in a while. Yeah.
[00:10:49] Trey Gerrald: I appreciate it. I Donn know that the listeners do too. Your commitment to
[00:10:53] Chelsey Donn: I have been missing you Trey and
[00:10:56] Trey Gerrald: know it's been so long.
[00:10:58] Chelsey Donn: I'm, I was like looking for an excuse to do this, and I'm just happy that I feel well enough to do it. And I can't wait to dive into some reviews, but first. I gotta know if you have a Complaint, Trey. I mean, I've been talking so much. I haven't even heard about your week.
[00:11:12] Trey Gerrald: So I've had a good week. I, we went away for my nephew's first birthday party in Charlotte and David came, so we got a hotel room and I do feel like I was swindled by the advertisement
[00:11:25] Chelsey Donn: Oh, Ooh.
[00:11:26] Trey Gerrald: it said it was a four star hotel and
[00:11:28] Trey Gerrald: it
[00:11:28] Chelsey Donn: it was
[00:11:28] Trey Gerrald: gross. No, it was really gross. Also. This is not the Complaint, but it was a king size bed.
[00:11:34] Trey Gerrald: And they had like the little, like, you know, those pee guards like to cover the mattress
[00:11:40] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, like a wa like a mattress protector.
[00:11:42] Trey Gerrald: Yes. It was a Queen size mattress protector. So it just kept scrunching off of the bed, which
[00:11:50] Chelsey Donn: it was a Queen sized mattress on, on a king bed.
[00:11:53] Trey Gerrald: Yes, it was very clearly the wrong
[00:11:55] Chelsey Donn: It was the wrong size.
[00:11:56] Trey Gerrald: It was so tiny. Like you would sit on the bed and then all four corners
[00:12:00] Chelsey Donn: Oh, my God. That
[00:12:01] Trey Gerrald: that's
[00:12:02] Trey Gerrald: a slight exaggeration, but it was so annoying cuz I don't.
[00:12:05] Chelsey Donn: annoying.
[00:12:06] Trey Gerrald: I don't like touching a hotel betting to
[00:12:09] Chelsey Donn: No, Ugh.
[00:12:10] Trey Gerrald: anyway, that anyway, it was a good week. My actual Complaint.
[00:12:14] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:12:15] Trey Gerrald: Okay. I am all, actually, I am a person that if there is a self checkout, I'm gonna run to it. But my Complaint is the sensitivity of the scale on these self checkouts.
[00:12:28] Trey Gerrald: CVS is a huge culprit of this. You'll go, you'll swipe it. And then you have to put it in the bagging area because there's a scale under it. And that's how they determine if you're a thief or
[00:12:37] Chelsey Donn: right, right.
[00:12:39] Trey Gerrald: sensitive that it'll be like, please place item in the bagging area. and like a siren will go off and the cop light on top goes off.
[00:12:48] Trey Gerrald: And then like, if it happens two or three times in a row, then like it freezes the screen and the lights are going off and there's a beeping. And then some person who's working there that doesn't want to come over to, you has to. Come over type in a code, swipe their little card. And it's like, the item is right here.
[00:13:05] Trey Gerrald: I, I like I, or it's like too large to fit in the tiny minuscule CVS bags that they have now where it's like, I
[00:13:13] Chelsey Donn: Or even in the bagging area, what do I do with the other stuff I have to, like, I have to stack it all on top of each other.
[00:13:18] Trey Gerrald: Well, that's what happens. It's like, if you buy a like 18 roll of toilet paper, you can't fit it on the.
[00:13:25] Chelsey Donn: right.
[00:13:26] Trey Gerrald: That's just like a random occurrence that really bothers me. And it really does. Speaking of heart rate, it makes me palpitate at a much higher frequency than I think is necessary when I'm
[00:13:39] Trey Gerrald: just buying candy.
[00:13:41] Trey Gerrald: You know, it makes me so angry. And so I was like, oh, this is like a common day Complaint that I'm sure many people have experienced.
[00:13:48] Chelsey Donn: I think that the best thing that you just said in terms of like recapping that experience, which I like didn't think of, but is so true, is that the person that is Manning that area always seems like surprise. That they have to go over and help you. Meanwhile, I have never had a self-check experience that didn't require like at least like one person to come over and click a button or where the person next to me at very least, like, I've never had a self-check situation where myself or someone else didn't need help.
[00:14:22] Chelsey Donn: And yet that person always seems like, all right, well here I gotta go do my job, I guess. Like, it's so weird.
[00:14:31] Trey Gerrald: They're never at the ready
[00:14:32] Trey Gerrald: or like eager or on it? No,
[00:14:35] Chelsey Donn: like with the regularity that it happens, you would think that they would be like, um, a ball boy, you know, like on the tennis matches. Like they're like, they're waiting, they're waiting to, to run.
[00:14:45] Trey Gerrald: are my favorite to watch cuz they literally like in a split second will be like,
[00:14:50] Chelsey Donn: Exactly.
[00:14:51] Trey Gerrald: intense.
[00:14:52] Chelsey Donn: I know. But I think that, I think people with this job should like have that, like that kind of intensity and we should be paying them appropriately.
[00:15:00] Trey Gerrald: That's probably the problem.
[00:15:02] Chelsey Donn: Right. I'm sure that's a huge factor in this, but assuming that we're paying them appropriately, like, I think we should get the ball boys trained
[00:15:10] Trey Gerrald: That should
[00:15:11] Chelsey Donn: to do those jobs.
[00:15:12] Trey Gerrald: I think that that should be part of the,
[00:15:14] Chelsey Donn: Yes. Have you been a ball boy and or girl
[00:15:19] Trey Gerrald: or girl or they,
[00:15:20] Trey Gerrald: or them above them.
[00:15:22] Chelsey Donn: or a ball? A ball them.
[00:15:26] Trey Gerrald: Uh, okay. So that's all of that. Okay. So
[00:15:29] Trey Gerrald: yes, as you were segueing beautifully before, why didn't we jump into some online reviews chills
[00:15:34] Chelsey Donn: I think we should do it. I've missed it. I'm ready. Let's go.
[00:15:38] Trey Gerrald: here? We.
[00:15:40] VOICEOVER: Review That Review.
[00:15:45] Chelsey Donn: As you know, we are your trustee review Queens. We bring in reviews from the internet that we feel need to be inspect.
[00:15:52] Trey Gerrald: We read you a review, break it down and rate the impact of the review on a scale from zero to five crowns. It's a very Regal process that we call.
[00:16:02] VOICEOVER: Assess that Kvetch.
[00:16:04] Chelsey Donn: That's right. Very vehicle. And so with that in mind, Trey, what have you brought in for us today?
[00:16:10] Trey Gerrald: All right. So I'm finally doing it. If I could tell you, I'm gonna try to underestimate, I think that I have literally put this review in the today's recording folder. This is an underestimation probably four times. And at the last minute I have changed and I did it two weeks ago. The last time I did a review and here we are, where I'm officially doing it.
[00:16:34] Trey Gerrald: This actually was submitted by a listener back in like when we were in like the tens or twenties. So. We're almo. I mean, now it's literally been a full year at this point, so apologies. But today this is a new source. This is from a website called influencer stir.
[00:16:53] Chelsey Donn: Oh,
[00:16:54] Trey Gerrald: So not an influencer, it's an influencer influencer.
[00:16:58] Chelsey Donn: like the straw that serves the drink.
[00:17:01] Trey Gerrald: So this is a review written by someone named Amber F
[00:17:06] Chelsey Donn: Okay.
[00:17:06] Trey Gerrald: four. Loom deodorant for underarms and private parts. 22 ounce propel. Jasmine rose.
[00:17:16] Chelsey Donn: This is interesting. I, I think it might be LUME
[00:17:21] Trey Gerrald: Is it LUME okay. Cuz this
[00:17:22] Chelsey Donn: I'm not a hundred percent sure though. I,
[00:17:25] Trey Gerrald: I'm gonna have, I'm gonna have a few, um, pronunciation issues. So should I just say LUME that probably sounds better than Lum.
[00:17:33] Chelsey Donn: I can be wrong.
[00:17:34] Trey Gerrald: We'll just say LUME for today.
[00:17:37] Chelsey Donn: Should we, oh, wait here. Oh, loo if this is saying loom, so you might be right, maybe we all just say it wrong.
[00:17:43] Trey Gerrald: All right. So everyone listening, loom LUME whatever, you know, don't attack
[00:17:48] Chelsey Donn: don't attack us.
[00:17:49] Trey Gerrald: So this is, this is Amber F's One-Star-Zinger review on influencer.com. It's important to note here that Amber F has a little ribbon icon. next to it that says beauty, junky expert level eight.
[00:18:07] Chelsey Donn: Interesting.
[00:18:08] Trey Gerrald: I don't know if that's good or bad.
[00:18:09] Chelsey Donn: so I think that that's good. I think that, I think it means
[00:18:13] Trey Gerrald: It's higher than seven other levels.
[00:18:15] Chelsey Donn: I don't know much about influencer, but I think that the idea with this whole ranking thing is like, if you always are the person that writes about beauty products, then you're like more of an influencer in that regard. Like I should listen to you more.
[00:18:29] Chelsey Donn: So if you have eight,
[00:18:31] Trey Gerrald: So you've heard of influencer.
[00:18:33] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I feel like, like in the zeitgeist.
[00:18:36] Trey Gerrald: Okay. Okay. All right. So yeah, here we go. This is Amber F's One-Star-Zinger influencer review for loom deodorant. I keep seeing loom ad videos on YouTube and the woman who created it talks about how there's no deodorant like this and that quote. She changed everything about deodorant end and acts as if she is the first.
[00:19:05] Trey Gerrald: Who has done this it's faults because apparently she never met the creators of Lavalin cream deodorant who have been doing this for years, which theirs is also aluminum free. She probably should have done more research before making that. used Lavalin for years because it's a cream and a jar parentheses.
[00:19:35] Trey Gerrald: They also have roll on and you simply put it on and you can literally forget to even put on deodorant. Or even if life has gotten hectic slash busy, you're a single mom that has a baby or a toddler, and don't have time to shower for three days at a time because you don't get alone time to even shower dot.
[00:19:57] Trey Gerrald: It works that well, kept mine on for 72 hours and not reapplied it. And it does what loom claims to do. It's cheaper of course, but it has no scent. You can buy the foot cream or they have a deodorant cream parenthesis. You truly can use either for any part of your body in parentheses. And you put a small amount on and forget it.
[00:20:22] Trey Gerrald: They've been doing this for a long. And it just feels like a rip off every time I see these loom videos claiming that she changed deodorant and that no one has done what she's done. That's great for her that she created a product and it would be fine if she were to create it, but not based on a lie telling people that it's never been done before she created.
[00:20:48] Trey Gerrald: She could literally be sued for that because her product is identical to lave in deodorant, dream parentheses it doesn't state. You can use it on private parts, but you definitely can with it being that great for sensitive skin in parentheses, except she put it in a tube and they bracket Lavalin and bracket put theirs in a. I just hate when new companies try to take credit for something that they didn't truly invent and then take away from another company who has been doing it for years. That's not okay. It's shady. That was such a turnoff in the ads to hear her brag and take credit for something that has already been done by another brand.
[00:21:39] Trey Gerrald: Please check out Lavalin instead as they are the OG and deserve the credit that loom is claiming they were the first. I Donn don't usually leave bad reviews, but I hate when companies steal from older companies then make money off of an older company's products and product
[00:22:03] Chelsey Donn: Wow. Uh, lava land F I mean, Amber F I mean,
[00:22:09] Trey Gerrald: ideas Lavalin
[00:22:11] Chelsey Donn: F just kidding. Amber
[00:22:12] Trey Gerrald: have you ever heard of Lavalin?
[00:22:14] Chelsey Donn: I remember, like years ago there was a product that sounds like this, that was on shark tank. And I'm wondering if that was the Lavalin one.
[00:22:22] Trey Gerrald: I Donn know
[00:22:22] Chelsey Donn: I do know that the whole sh well, first of all, I Donn, I don't know where to start, but I'll start by saying the entire shtick of loom deodorant is that I believe it was created by a gynecologist, an OB GY.
[00:22:36] Chelsey Donn: And that's why. Yeah. And that's why they say like, you can specifically use it on private parts and things like that, because this is like, I I've seen the ads and they're always highlighting like this doctor B GYN, woman who created this product for this specific need. So I know that they do kind of say like, we're the first one, but I think that their claim is that we're the first one that like you can safely use it on your private parts, on your underarms, on your thought like that.
[00:23:07] Chelsey Donn: Like you can really use it everywhere. And that's how they're marketing. It's not just like, oh, this is an aluminum free deodorant that lasts a long time now.
[00:23:19] Trey Gerrald: I just heard, as you said, that loom like a loom and, um, Because it's aluminum free. So maybe that's why it's loom. I don't know. Keep going.
[00:23:29] Chelsey Donn: well, okay. So I I've heard of influencer, I think, but I just wanna be clear. So is this a site where we're truly going to review products?
[00:23:41] Trey Gerrald: it is. And it is for loom deodorant, which has 130 reviews and the average is four stars.
[00:23:51] Chelsey Donn: okay. So what the hell is this review doing here? I mean, it's just clearly an ad as annoying as you Amber find the ads for loom. I find it annoying that you're giving me an ad for another product on the looms page. Couldn't you have just, first of all. I don't even believe based on this review that Amber actually even tried the product.
[00:24:17] Chelsey Donn: It's almost like she's reviewing the ads.
[00:24:20] Trey Gerrald: so very interesting point because nowhere in the review does Amber state use of product and Amber submitted a picture and the picture is of Lavalin.
[00:24:34] Chelsey Donn: Of course it is.
[00:24:36] Trey Gerrald: So it's totally an ad.
[00:24:37] Chelsey Donn: get the heck. out Amber, like, it's just, it's one thing to mention a product, which is automatically gonna make us a little bit suspicious. We know this, but this review is a full blown ad for this other product. How is that appropriate?
[00:24:53] Trey Gerrald: it does feel to me like Amber is a salesperson for Lavalin. That's why they're so offended, right? Like they're in like Avon or something or they're in some MLM that's like selling Lavalin and they're so offended that this like competitor her shut
[00:25:11] Chelsey Donn: And when they were like, I don't usually write negative reviews. I was like that wasn't even a negative review.
[00:25:16] Trey Gerrald: Right. You're not even reviewing the
[00:25:17] Chelsey Donn: not reviewing
[00:25:18] Trey Gerrald: You're just saying they made a false claim.
[00:25:20] Chelsey Donn: reviewing their ad. I'm reviewing your ad. And I Donn don't like it.
[00:25:24] Trey Gerrald: but if you're correct, that loom was created by a gynecologist, then at least that's a doctor's claim that you can use in a private parts. Are we just supposed to believe random Amber F who is a junkie expert level eight, that you can use another product on your private parts, because she says that you.
[00:25:42] Chelsey Donn: Yeah.
[00:25:43] Trey Gerrald: I thought that was so weird too.
[00:25:44] Chelsey Donn: of all, I thought we were like at a certain point. I got really confused because I, when we were getting into all of the details of using it, I thought we were talking about loom and then like, we would say something else. And I was like, oh, we're still on the Lavalin like, you know, like, I, I was very confused throughout the review.
[00:26:04] Chelsey Donn: Like which product are we talking about? Because I'm not on the Lavalin page, I'm on the loom page. And I agree, like, just because you said it's okay to use on your privates doesn't mean. Looms not allowed to say we're the first deodorant made by an OB GYN that is safe to use on your privates. Like that is the claim,
[00:26:26] Trey Gerrald: Well, it's also ensuring to me that Amber comes in hot at the top here saying that they've used, Lavalin all caps because. It's a cream and a jar parenthesis. They also have it on a roll on like, it's like, wait, why are you, why are you screaming? Because we don't even know where you're coming. Like, what are
[00:26:44] Chelsey Donn: What are you talking about? Yeah. LUME is the first deodorant safe to use anywhere under your breast skin, fold belly button feet and private parts.
[00:26:54] Trey Gerrald: oh,
[00:26:54] Chelsey Donn: So that's like what they're saying, but like
[00:26:57] Trey Gerrald: tagline.
[00:26:58] Chelsey Donn: on the website itself, it breaks down. Like these are what people like douches, like this is why like, douches are good or bad, like vaginal gels.
[00:27:05] Chelsey Donn: This is why vaginal gels are good or bad. Like, it is not just like, oh, it doesn't have aluminum in it. So you can use it there. I think that the idea behind the cell and every single ad that I've had is that like, We are creating a product. That's not just like, uh, it would probably be okay, cuz it doesn't have aluminum to use there.
[00:27:24] Chelsey Donn: We're creating a product that is specifically for that need and is created by a doctor. There's so many Juin that don't have aluminum. Now I Donn don't think that that's what Lumin is saying. The issue is that they're saying that they're the first.
[00:27:40] Trey Gerrald: but.
[00:27:42] Chelsey Donn: they kind of are, cuz I Donn, I, I can't think of any other deodorant that was specifically created by a gynecologist.
[00:27:50] Trey Gerrald: Now that I'm hearing that I am sort of like, oh, maybe I would want that to be in a jar. Cause I, I don't wanna like roll the thing, like on my private area, but regardless who cares.
[00:28:02] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. It comes in a cream too.
[00:28:05] Trey Gerrald: Interesting. It is that unscented because this one that we're, that Amber has left a review on is for the Jasmine rose sent
[00:28:14] Chelsey Donn: They have ones, I think that are unscented, but yeah, it's a solid stick and a cream. They sell it as a bundle.
[00:28:21] Trey Gerrald: I mean, I personally don't necessarily like a lot of fragrance with my deodorants. Like it, it makes me think of like acts it's like every teenage boy has act.
[00:28:32] Chelsey Donn: I guess I, but I like the natural deodorant sense cuz they tend to be like more essential oil. Like I, I doubt I do have a friend that uses loom and she's been like trying to sell me on it for a while. She's like, I love it.
[00:28:44] Trey Gerrald: Oh, wow. They should call in.
[00:28:46] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, they should. I'm looking now and they do have it unscented. So like, usually with these natural varieties, they're doing a sense for people like me who are like, I do like a little like perfume moment, as long as I know that it's clean.
[00:29:00] Chelsey Donn: And then other people who are like, I just don't want any sense. So they are accommodating everyone. And you know what the reality is that we didn't get any of that information
[00:29:08] Trey Gerrald: No, not at all.
[00:29:09] Chelsey Donn: ER, you. Like Amber F gets an F and like, we're not even at the crowning, but she's getting an F like she did not do the assignment.
[00:29:20] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, it's really confusing to me to like go over and leave a review about something that you haven't tried, that you're just mad
[00:29:29] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, or just say, like, I don't support this product cuz I don't like the false claims that they make in their advertisements. This is a product that I use. If you wanna hear more about that product, cook this link to my review of blah, blah, blah. It would still be bad, but like you're wasting so much of our time making us.
[00:29:48] Chelsey Donn: All of these, like, that's, this is confusion to me. My sister's an intellectual property attorney and this is borderline intellectual property theft, like going on someone else's page and posting confusion like this. I mean, they have the same first letter. Like I, I can see a world in which someone could be reading this review and like, think that this description that she's talking about is loom and, you know, like it's just so bad for so
[00:30:15] Trey Gerrald: Well, part of that, I do think the confusion is from like the grammar of this is sometimes the sentences. Like they do bleed into the other. It was hard to sort of read it out loud because I feel like the train of thought jumps around.
[00:30:30] Chelsey Donn: Yeah,
[00:30:31] Trey Gerrald: But okay. Ultimately, is this valuable
[00:30:34] Chelsey Donn: no,
[00:30:36] Trey Gerrald: for some reason, it makes me not like Lavalin because Amber's coming on so strong about Lavalin it makes me feel like it's bad for Lavalin.
[00:30:45] Chelsey Donn: That's an interesting point, Trey, cuz it's like we're accusing loom of being shady and scammy and weird. And yet this is a really bad misrepresentation of Lavalin too. Like I don't know that Lavalin would be thrilled to know that this person is doing this unless in fact of course. Amber F is lava land, which I'm not willing to let complete go of.
[00:31:10] Chelsey Donn: I, I do think that there's a large possibility here that we have some undercover bossing
[00:31:15] Trey Gerrald: I mean, we clearly think this is shady. Do what did you think of what I, I think might have been an attempted humor when Amber is saying you're a single mom that has a baby or a toddler, and you don't have time to shower for three days at a time because you didn't get name of the shower and it didn't work.
[00:31:29] Trey Gerrald: Well, I come on, I feel like they were like trying to be a little Winky, but at that point I'm like, wait, put a comma diva.
[00:31:36] Chelsey Donn: You know what I will say that the only, that was the one Mo cuz I was hating on Amber F sorry, Amber F but I was hating on Amber F like from the beginning, as soon as I figured out what she, what the game was here. And then when we got to that part, I actually thought. Maybe I should be a little nicer to Amber F she's got a lot of kids around.
[00:31:56] Chelsey Donn: Maybe Amber F is not dealing with like a fully present mind when she's writing this review. That is the only thing I'm willing to sort of give Amber F a little bit of a pass on like maybe the scenario is, you know, the kids are screaming in the background. I'm just trying to have a moment to scroll on Instagram and enjoy myself.
[00:32:17] Chelsey Donn: And I'm spammed by this ad. And this is the time where it would just take me over the edge and I gotta do something about it, you know, like, is that what was happening? And maybe, maybe that was what happened, but short of that,
[00:32:33] Trey Gerrald: Yeah, it is so weird that the image they attach to this review is of Lavalin products like that. Just, I mean, it's possible, like we've only really harped on how shady that is, but it is possible that Amber came to this and was like, Just go with the OG. I want everyone to see this and be like, oh, what's this image.
[00:32:54] Trey Gerrald: Maybe it's coming from a positive place, but it just really does not read that way because Amber is so angry at what they perceive as a false claim when maybe they missed one little syntax issue where this is like the first developed by doctor.
[00:33:13] Chelsey Donn: E exactly like, and everything is a reinvention. And if you cannot find a way to stand out in the crowd, I do believe that that is your fault. I have no problem with this company, touting that they are the first deodorant that is intended, that has been designed with the intention to use on more of your body than just your
[00:33:34] Trey Gerrald: Well, that's funny if. If that really is the message that's intended in this ad. And Amber has seen this ad so many times and keeps missing that one little key piece, or because Amber has created a reality that their product is safe for other parts than the underarm. So now they're so angry that this other one's claiming that because it's scientifically proven versus not being signed.
[00:33:59] Trey Gerrald: You know, it's just all of this Misha where it's like, we're just talking about aluminum, free deodorant, calm.
[00:34:05] Chelsey Donn: Right. right.
[00:34:06] Trey Gerrald: Do you think there's any impact for you moving forward? If you read this
[00:34:11] Chelsey Donn: You know, a little bit of sadness for Lavalin for Lavalin, because I think that it's like, it's, I'm attributing Lavalin and Amber F together. And I don't really think that that's fair. And I do feel bad that like, I'm not even giving it the time of day to listen to anything positive that is being said about them because it's so out of place.
[00:34:30] Trey Gerrald: Finally, I do wanna share. I looked up Amber F and as of today's recording, they have 468 reviews on influencer. And today there have been an additional 16 reviews for loom. So it's now 146 reviews.
[00:34:48] Chelsey Donn: Okay. Not, not 16 more from Amber, just 16 more.
[00:34:52] Trey Gerrald: no, no.
[00:34:53] Chelsey Donn: Okay.
[00:34:54] Trey Gerrald: And it's still rated at four stars.
[00:34:56] Chelsey Donn: I Donn know that's a little shady to me, Trey. I Donn like, again, it's very hard with these elite reviewers or these repeat reviewers sometimes for me to, to ascertain, is this an individual who is paid by several businesses? To go on and write these reviews.
[00:35:14] Chelsey Donn: And that's why they have so many reviews or is this truly just somebody that like looks to write a review at any occasion? Oftentimes depending on the style of the writer, especially with the Yelp elites, I can tell a lot of those people are in it for the game. They wanna be in it. They like it with.
[00:35:34] Chelsey Donn: Review and Amber F I am very suspicious. I don't know if Amber F was paid by lava land, if like, I'd be almost curious to take a Gander through some of Amber's other reviews to
[00:35:48] Trey Gerrald: Well, that's
[00:35:49] Chelsey Donn: we
[00:35:49] Trey Gerrald: I'm literally doing right now.
[00:35:51] Chelsey Donn: Are we pimping other products?
[00:35:53] Trey Gerrald: So I don't know anything about influencer except for today. And I see that maybe the first, most recent 20 have a little box LogoVora that says received complimentary sample from influencer. So influencer her as sending these repeated reviewers samples to write reviews.
[00:36:17] Trey Gerrald: That is not the case for loom. But Amber is that vocal and active in this community that they are now getting samples
[00:36:27] Chelsey Donn: So they're being paid in samples for the reviews,
[00:36:30] Trey Gerrald: but that wasn't the case for loom. And Amber was that angry. I wonder if maybe Amber got a Lavalin sample,
[00:36:38] Chelsey Donn: right? Maybe
[00:36:39] Trey Gerrald: but they say they've been using it for years.
[00:36:41] Chelsey Donn: does it, yeah. Has Amber written a review on Lavalin? Probably.
[00:36:45] Trey Gerrald: Oh, I would imagine.
[00:36:47] Chelsey Donn: Yeah. I mean that doesn't really like create or negate anything for me, the fact that she's getting these perks now from writing so many reviews, I really don't know. It just feels like Amber F might be a snake in the grass and she might
[00:36:59] Trey Gerrald: here's another one. Amber reviewed Hines, Buffalo, ranch, Buffalo and ranch sauce gave it four stars. And it says at the bottom in bold incentivized review, what is influencer? I gotta get on here and start making money.
[00:37:17] Chelsey Donn: Yeah, we gotta get on there. Try
[00:37:19] Trey Gerrald: So maybe if I, maybe I could do deeper digging, maybe they were incentivized for Lavalin, but that's that's hearsay.
[00:37:30] Chelsey Donn: that's hearsay. They could just have been incentivized in the sense that like they bought the product and then they were like, will you review us here? I Donn. Something seems shady. Something definitely seems shady here.
[00:37:42] Trey Gerrald: Oh, they have one for a menstrual cup. All right. There, maybe there's fertile ground here with, uh, Amber. Maybe they'll be back on the
[00:37:49] Trey Gerrald: show. Anyhow. How are you feeling with this loom review? Do you think you could rate
[00:37:54] Chelsey Donn: I'm feeling very ready to crown. I mean, I feel like I'm like not how many cent centimeters I'm crowning. I'm dial I'm fully dilated.
[00:38:02] Trey Gerrald: she's crowning. All right, here we go.
[00:38:04] Chelsey Donn: crown.
[00:38:05] Trey Gerrald: So Chelsey and I each have our own set of zero to five crown cards in an effort to be fair and not influenced by one another. We will simultaneously reveal our rating.
[00:38:15] VOICEOVER: The Queens are Tabulating. So.
[00:38:24] Chelsey Donn: Okay. I had a feeling you were gonna do that. So I'm holding up zero crowns. Trey is holding up a half crown. If I could, I would give zero crowns and I can. So I'm going to,
[00:38:35] Trey Gerrald: amen.
[00:38:35] Chelsey Donn: is zero crowns for you. I just don't see the value. I cannot give any kind of points to a review that I feel like is distracting is taking.
[00:38:47] Chelsey Donn: Off of the course with my goal of trying to decide whether or not I should buy this product. The fact that the company may or may not be making first claims for getting their first really doesn't matter is the product good. That's what I wanna know. I didn't get any of that from Amber F I got a whole bunch of Misha that I did not sign up for.
[00:39:13] Chelsey Donn: Sorry, Amber, I don't trust you. Zero crowns. Why a half crown Trey
[00:39:20] Trey Gerrald: because, okay. There's a few parts to this. I do think that as much as I wanna say, there's no value here. This is no impact. I can't, it's not trustworthy. I do think there is a little bit of a lasting impression on me because as I continue to find reviews to tell me if I should get loom or not, I think this will still be in the recesses of my mind because it's created a little bit of doubt, like is loom.
[00:39:46] Trey Gerrald: Untrustworthy is Lavalin a better product. Should I now go down a Lavalin rabbit hole and see if that's,
[00:39:54] Trey Gerrald: